DPowell writes:
The point I want to establish is simply the difficulty in saying "In the beginning." The reason behind that is that everything we are familiar with is a product of causation.
We only see things that begun to exist or had been cause to exist forming out of what already existed. Have you ever heard the saying that We are made of star stuff? Well it is important when trying to really understand if they is a real beginning or causation to anything. Because all of the elements that make up who we are is believed to have been part of a star at some point. A star that had only been made up of hydrogen, helium, and lithium. A star was producing heavy element's and when it exploded and scattered those elements, which later became our current star, the earth and other planets in our solar system. And from those elements that our own planet was made up of, yet again formed something else. That which we call life. And that life eventually led to us. And really in the end, we are physically is nothing more than arrangement of atoms... Atoms that once, had been part of a star.
All that happened was that the matter had been rearranged from one form into another.
Now if I take some rock and take out just the iron and then make something out of the iron like a hammer or a sword. All I did was take something that already existed and created something different. Sure it. There may have never been a sword or hammer before that, but all I did is create a new form of an existing form.
So from what we observe when it comes to things causing other things to exist from things that previously existed. Then we can safely assume that there is a pretty good chance that something could exist without a beginning or a cause. And it does not to be a God. Especially when there is something that we believe that cannot be created nor destroyed. Which implies that it was not created or had a beginning but always existed in some form (It does not mean it was not created by God but it does show that if their happens to be no God that their can be things in the natural world could have always existed. See below).
DPowell writes:
Try to name something in your world/life that is not directly/indirectly caused by something(s).
Energy can neither be created nor destroyed (See: The first law of thermodynamics).
DPowell writes:
The ultimate question comes down to what is the FIRST Cause.
See: Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle. And theory of the big-bang
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