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jadeshadow
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Message 1 of 8 (55843)
09-16-2003 6:16 PM


the creation story in the bible is in the words of god. or a prophet or even man argue as you may. but a "day" when time does not exist is not really a day. The "days" in the creation story are outside the context time and space. So species, over the course of a "day," were created. How can u then draw the conclusion that everything was made at the exact same moment. Don't assume. We as humans know so little it is sickening and those who seek to find the answers to the origin of the universe must realize how little they know or they will fall for every lie that fills the spot in their head that needs to know. I think evolutionists are sucked into the thought process of feeling high and mighty, while they actually believe a lie that is stopped dead in it's tracks before the point of infinity density could ever explode. Where did it come from? (PS for those who are thinking impaired that was a rhetorical question) I realize how little i know but i am still not ignorant although this post may hint that through anger. I just choose the truth.

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09-16-2003 6:19 PM


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Message 3 of 8 (55847)
09-16-2003 6:25 PM
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09-16-2003 6:16 PM


quote:
the creation story in the bible is in the words of god.
quote:
Don't assume. We as humans know so little it is sickening and those who seek to find the answers to the origin of the universe must realize how little they know or they will fall for every lie that fills the spot in their head that needs to know.
Just for fun, I thought I'd put these two quotes next to one another.
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Ms. Krabappal:Are there any more questions?
Bart:Yes, how would I go about making a half man half monkey creature?
Krabapal:I'm sorry Bart, that would be playing God.
Bart:God schmod! I want my monkey man!

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Message 4 of 8 (55849)
09-16-2003 6:31 PM
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09-16-2003 6:25 PM


Dan,
Good game! What about these two?
Don't assume.
I just choose the truth.
Mark
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"I can't prove creationism, but they can't prove evolution. It is [also] a religion, so it should not be taught....Christians took over the school board and voted in creationism. That can be done in any school district anywhere, and it ought to be done." Says Kent "consistent" Hovind in "Unmasking the False Religion of Evolution Chapter 6."

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Message 5 of 8 (55851)
09-16-2003 6:37 PM
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09-16-2003 6:25 PM


quote:
I realize how little i know
quote:
but i am still not ignorant
I don't know. Or maybe I do.

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Message 6 of 8 (55852)
09-16-2003 6:49 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by jadeshadow
09-16-2003 6:16 PM


Well that was weird.
Apparenntly if you jsut assume that a literalistic Genesis is the last word on the origins of the uiverse, the Earth and the various forms of life to be found on the planet that's OK. You can go around as creationists do attacking people for "unreasonably" refusing to accept that you unsupported opinion is the absolute truth.
If you actually look into the scientific explanations which represents many decades of work by many many people that's wrong because you might be "sucked into feeling high and mighty".
And yes, the poster does inded have the attitude I attribute to creationists above - since he labels evolution (or rather cosmology) a lie without knowing much about it.
SO lets start by pointing out that a point of infinite density is what you get IF you run General Relativity all the way back to the very start of the Big Bang. Unfortunately we already know that GR does not hold at very high densities, so that extrapolation is not valid. Even more unfortunately we do not know exactly how to fix GR so that it does work. However moving to a philosophical level we are always going to have to assume something as a given. The question is, why should it be a God, lt alone some specific God.

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Message 7 of 8 (55855)
09-16-2003 6:54 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by jadeshadow
09-16-2003 6:16 PM


HI,
the creation story in the bible is in the words of god. or a prophet or even man argue as you may.
That actually covers most bases, and if you translate 'adamah as mankind then you have covered them all, so they are the words of someone, yes?
The "days" in the creation story are outside the context time and space.
Your proof of this is what exactly? Why do you wish to change the meaning of 'yom' in the first chapter of Genesis into something that fits your unsupported theory?
So species, over the course of a "day," were created.
That would be a 'day' that has a 'morning' and an 'evening'?
How can u then draw the conclusion that everything was made at the exact same moment.
Who draws this conclusion?
Don't assume. We as humans know so little it is sickening
This is a bit confusing, how do you know we 'know so little' if you have no idea of how much there is to know? You would have to know everything to gauge just how little we do know!
those who seek to find the answers to the origin of the universe must realize how little they know or they will fall for every lie that fills the spot in their head that needs to know.
Well it is easy to spot a lie in this context, just try to falsify the 'lie' that fills that little spot. If it is falsifiable then it can be proven a lie, if there is no way to falsify it, well more than likely it is a lie.
I think evolutionists are sucked into the thought process of feeling high and mighty
What makes you come to this conclusion.
while they actually believe a lie that is stopped dead in it's tracks before the point of infinity density could ever explode
What lie would this be, and try to support it?
I realize how little i know but i am still not ignorant although this post may hint that through anger.
It doesnt hint it through anger, it screams it from your contradictory statement 'I realize how little i know but i am still not ignorant.'
I just choose truth
Let me guess what this is, I am betting on the Genesis creation myths at Genesis 1-2:4 and 2: 4-24.
Brian
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Message 8 of 8 (55914)
09-16-2003 11:36 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by jadeshadow
09-16-2003 6:16 PM


Jadeshadow Could you inform me of how you define the term "ignorant"?

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