Objective reality

Satisfactory in what way? To you specifically?Rahvin posted the approved dictionary definition, someone felt it was satisfactory. I liked it myself, I was satisfied.But something tells me you're looking for something else?- OniEdited by onifre, : No reason given.

Well I would say that mathematical constructs are our way to desipher the reality we find ourselves in. In a way that we can all agree on. It exists within our subjective, yet agreed upon, framework of reality. But that which we are trying to figure out is objective, and exists whether we can understand it or not. Lets take the religious claim of multiple experiences; all there is empirical evidence for is the experience, and even then you are still left with second hand information. But lets say we plugged them into a machine and pinpointed where exactly in the brain the experience was taking place, that would be objective evidence for an experience.Now, their interpretation of the experience can only be subjective, by definition.Likewise, lets take science. A scientist's interpretation of evidence is of course subjective, but the evidence remains objective. If it wasn't then there wouldn't be many other scientist trying to interpret the same evidence.To me it seems clear how to distinguish the two. I think it did, and I hope I answered it coherently too.- Oni

Yes, and they are an amazing band. Seriously though...If we can agree that mathematical concepts are our subjective representation of reality, then, within that subjective framework of reality something as subjective as "perfect" can exist. Well I wouldn't agree that it is derived from, I would say that it represents empirical reality.Would that change your position? The same thing that we mean when we say beautiful.- Oni

The question should be, Does it? All that you are saying here is that there is no perfect way to represent a shape that we believe can be perfect. Like say, a square. No, of course not. But wouldn't doing so make it finite? I can't imagine infinity because it's infinite. An infinite amount. No I meant, saying something is perfect is the same as beautiful. You have to set an arbitrary parameter of what is (perfect or beautiful) and see what comes within a degree of acuracy to your set margin of perfection (or beauty).- Oni

Yes. An apple and another apple would give you a total of 2 apples.The apple being the objective part. Numbers are our subjective representation for them when summing up the total. Things exist in multiples, this is true regardless. How you choose to represent it is subjective.I think this is getting a bit confusing to follow. lol- Oni