Apes vs. Man What are your thoughts??

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Originally posted by gene90:
Couldn't we fix that rather easily with germ-line genetic therapy?

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Gene, good point!Is it possible to add single nucleotides at such a specific point?Mark------------------
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Originally posted by Fred Williams:

With this alone as an observation, it could suggest either common design or common decent. Evolutionists love to cast the illusion by saying 1% similarity! and seldom state it in hard numbers. A 1% difference amounts to about 30 million different nucleotides. That’s a lot of individual nucleotides that have to become fixed in the entire population over such a short period of time, evolutionarily speaking (3-5 my).

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Surely the point is that there are nearly 3 BILLION nucleotides that are the same, compared to 30 million that aren't. In any case, the 99% similarity pertains to genes, not nucleotides, so the 1% is actually in the order of 300-500 genes, (assuming a 30,000 to 50,000 gene genome).What other explanation could there be other than common descent?Mark------------------
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[This message has been edited by mark24, 02-26-2002]

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Originally posted by joz:
Not sure if this is correct but i remember hearing something about it being carried by 1% of caucasians.....

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Schraf, Joz,The "defective" gene has a 32 base pair deletion & about 10% of the caucasian population has that gene. It is a co-dominant gene, meaning if you are homozygous (have two of the mutant genes) you are even better protected against developing full blown AIDS. As Joz says, only 1% ish of caucasians get the double whammy protection (due to homozygosity). This rather puts paid to the idea that HIV/AIDS is a punishment from God, when there's a protection passed on genetically, itself subject to the random vagaries of mate selection.The gene is very rare in other races, meaning the 32 base pair deletion occurred after the migration from africa. It is thought that the genes relatively high frequency could not be a result of AIDS, but must be a result of selective pressure due to other pathogens.Mark------------------
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Ludvan,I have to take issue with you here. Caucasaians may be better protected against some forms of pneumonia, but not all. It can kill caucasians, it depends on the cause. Having your lungs full of water will kill.Can you cite any research that shows that europeans are less susceptible to some forms of pneumonia. I don't doubt that they/I/we are, this is an interest of mine, so any reference would be appreciated.Thanks in advance,Mark------------------
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Originally posted by Punisher:
Perhaps we should define "kind" as those species which can reproduce together. I would say that a dog 'kind' and a cat 'kind' are two different 'kinds' because they cannot produce offspring together. Would you agree? So, apes and humans are different kinds. As stated earlier, although we see great variety within a 'kind' of species, there is no evidence to suggest that there is an evoulution to a different 'kind'.

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Punisher, all you've done here is define species. Kinds is a broader concept where different species can be the same kind, Lions, Tigers, & tabby cats, etc. So, if Gorillas & Chimpanzees are in the same kind/baramin, what excludes humans from that group?Mark------------------
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Quetzal:
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Originally posted by mark24:
Punisher, all you've done here is define species. Kinds is a broader concept where different species can be the same kind, Lions, Tigers, & tabby cats, etc. So, if Gorillas & Chimpanzees are in the same kind/baramin, what excludes humans from that group?
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Originally posted by Quetzal:

No, no Mark, you've got it all wrong. I think it's great Punisher defines "kind" as species. It solves all the problems with trying to argue about how speciation could have occured between the end of the Flood and today. I'm dying to know how Noah got 1.3 million pairs (two of each species) of "kinds" on the ark. I mean, when it wasn't seven of the unclean "kinds".

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Punisher, care to comment on this dilemma? How DID Noah get all those critters on the ark? Also, please explain how all the potential dinners and diners were segregated for a whole year (this being after the Fall when all those nasty predators stopped eating grass or whatever and started eating the poor innocent herbivores).

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LOL, I never made the connection, so now it's full circle!Mark------------------
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A hybrid with a point mutation!------------------
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