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RAZD
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Message 3 of 98 (559622)
05-10-2010 7:02 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Woodsy
05-10-2010 7:33 AM


What is "scientific evidence"?
Hi Woodsy,
He claimed that there was what he called "non-scientific evidence" that could be used for the purpose.
I took the term "non-scientific evidence" to be some kind of evidence that is not based on observation. However, that was not explicitly stated.
I would like to offer this thread as an opportunity for anyone who wishes to show what "non-scientific evidence" might be, to offer examples, ...
What is "scientific evidence"?
If we define that, then "non-scientific evidence" would be anything left. This can cover a lot of ground. Anecdotal evidence, hearsay, any experience that has not been duplicated ...
Once we determine that, then we can talk about how much it can (or can't) be used for making coherent conclusions that have some chance of relating to reality.
... and to demonstrate how it can be shown to be reliable.
Reliable is a tall order. I'm not sure the scientific method with validated evidence necessarily results in reliable conclusions.
But as far as "non-scientific evidence" goes, personally, I think the best you could do would be to develop an untested hypothesis of a possibility.
... a poster claimed ...
Could you link the post so we can see the context?
Use the gray number after "message N of P" in this code:
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RAZD
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Message 6 of 98 (559634)
05-10-2010 8:54 PM
Reply to: Message 4 by New Cat's Eye
05-10-2010 8:35 PM


Re: What is "scientific evidence"?
Hi Catholic Scientist
How's the health? Good I hope.
Pretty good -- see The Bicycle Team Challenge
I disagree. Every time we dropped that weight in the physics lab ...
That some (highly tested and heavily validated concepts) seem reliable does not mean that all are.
This is where you get into the whole 'agnostic or not towards that possibility' funnel that we should not let each other fall into once again.
Curiously, avoiding the issue won't make it go away. There are lots of little bits and pieces of evidence floating around, and some of it may coalesce into a new concept, but until the concept is tested and validated it is just a possibility.
I think he's referring to Dr. Sing... check here Message 215 and up plus here Message 226.
Ah, thanks. Not much to go on there, we may be dealing more with assertions based on confirmation bias than evidence.
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