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Author Topic:   Page's misuse of Haldane's Dilemma
joz
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Message 4 of 57 (5543)
02-26-2002 11:02 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Fred Williams
02-26-2002 2:03 AM


Just a small entirely pedantic point given that you and not SLP based your argument on a use of Haldanes dillema SLP can`t have "misused" it....
Possibly you did but he didn`t even use it.....

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joz
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Message 14 of 57 (5601)
02-26-2002 7:03 PM
Reply to: Message 11 by Fred Williams
02-26-2002 6:24 PM


Note that the text on the graph explains that it is hypothetical and the real shape of the curve is unknown (hang on aren`t you the lot that want to be able to observe something before accepting it?). The text also implys that the distribution would be gaussian around some point between deletious and neutral (by inspection it is apparent that this mean would lie closer to neutral than deletious), however the distribution is skewed by an absolute lethality constricting the effect on fitness axis to the left....
What are you trying to use this to prove?
Because this all seems fairly standard stuff to me....
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joz
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Message 20 of 57 (5712)
02-27-2002 3:54 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Fred Williams
02-26-2002 2:03 AM


From your article:
quote:
Dr Page spends quite a bit of energy in his reply focusing on my lack of training in the biological sciences. I have never claimed to be an expert in the biological sciences, but I have read a wealth of material on the subject (particularly genetics) and am quite capable of identifying obvious inconsistencies with evolution. I should note that Dr Page has admitted to me in the past that population genetics is not his area of expertise (you'll soon see this is the case, in glaring fashion), yet he insists on making a formal education on the topic an issue.
From SLP`s web page: [QUOTE]PUBLICATIONS
Goodman, M., Czelusniak, J., Page, S.L., and Meireles, C. Where DNA Sequences Place Homo sapiens in a Phylogenetic Classification of Primates. In: Humanity from African Naissance to Coming Millenia. P.V. Tobias, (ed.). Firenze University Press, Florence, Italy, pp. 279-289. 2001.
Goodman, M., McConkey, E, and Page, S.L. Reconstructing Human Evolution in the Age of Genomic Exploration. In: New Perspectives in Primate Evolution & Behavior, B. Sherwood, (ed.),Westbury Publishing Co. in press.
Page, S.L., and Goodman, M. Catarrhine Phylogeny: Noncoding DNA Evidence for a Diphyletic Origin of the Mangabeys and for a Human-Chimp Clade. Mol Phylogenet Evol. 2001 Jan;18(1):14-25
Page, S.L., Chiu, C-H., and Goodman, M. Molecular phylogeny of Old World monkeys (Cercopithecidae) as inferred from gamma-globin DNA sequences. Mol Phylogenet Evol. 1999 Nov;13(2):348-59.
Chaves, R., Sampaio, I., Schneider, M. P., Schneider, H., Page, S. L., and Goodman, M. The place of Callimico goeldii in the callitrichine phylogenetic tree: evidence from von Willebrand factor gene (vWF) intron II sequences. Mol Phylogenet Evol. 1999 Nov;13(2):392-404.
Goodman, M., Page, S.L., Meireles, C.M., and Czelusniak, J. Primate phylogeny and classification elucidated at the molecular level. In: Evolutionary Theory and Processes: Modern Perspectives, S.P. Wasser (ed.), Kluwer Academic Publishers b.v., Dordrecht, The Netherlands, pp. 193-212, 1999.
Goodman, M., Porter, C.A., Czelusniak, J., Page, S.L., Schneider, H., Shoshani, J., Gunnell, G., and Groves, C.P. Toward a phylogenetic classification of primates based on DNA evidence complemented by fossil evidence. Mol. Phylogenet. & Evol. 9:585-598, 1998.
Meireles, C.M., Czelusniak, J., Page, S.L., Gumucio, D.L., Schneider, M.P.C., and Goodman, M. Testing a model of the fetal recruitment of gamma-globin genes in callitrichine New World monkeys. Blood Cells, Molecules, and Diseases 24:491, 1998.
Porter, C.A., Page, S.L., Czelusniak, J.C., Schneider, H., Schneider, M.P.C., Sampaio, I., and Goodman, M. Phylogeny and evolution of selected primates as determined by sequences of the epsilon-globin locus and 5' flanking regions. International Journal of Primatology 18:261-295, 1997.
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If you don`t mind me asking what published papers have you authored on evolution? Also a lot of these papers seem to have to do with the genetics of a population....
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