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Author Topic:   It's a World Cup year!
onifre
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Message 6 of 291 (555622)
04-14-2010 3:05 PM
Reply to: Message 4 by Hyroglyphx
04-14-2010 1:53 PM


A major factor, I think, is that no stations cover football (soccer) in which to watch it. I think that partly attributes to the lack of fanfare in America.
Americans will only enjoy what they get expossed to on a regular basis. Who knew we would love to watch Jersey douchebags punch women in the face so much? Be we do! Season 2 is Miami baby!
The main reason soccer isn't televised the way baseball, basketball and football are shown is because soccer plays none stop for 45 min, no breaks. Which means, no commercial breaks. Which means advertisers can't shove Mc Donalds and Nike down your throat every 5 minutes. If advertisers can't advertise, it won't get shown on TV. Period.
MLS tried to change this by adding more breaks in the game to allow advertisers air time. Which in my opinion is pathetic that American TV has to go that route, while the rest of the world can go an hour and a half without 100 commercials.
- Oni

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onifre
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Message 9 of 291 (555628)
04-14-2010 3:50 PM
Reply to: Message 8 by Straggler
04-14-2010 3:09 PM


Re: Tragedy and Triumph
A national tragedy no less.
I should add that spanish TV (Goal TV, ESPN Espaol and some others in different markets) do show the game without commercial breaks - except for half time when (like the other UK channels that you mentioned) they ram as many commercials as they can.
Games on the BBC have no commercials at all. Games on other UK channels ram as many in at half time as they can whilst still having a bit of half time chit chat analysis with the pundits.
Either one, IMO, is cool. As long as the periods get played and aired in its entirety I'm good with them advertising as much as they can during half time.
Anywhoo...
Spain all the way with a lot of sympathetic support for the US team, if only to watch them upset you're beloved England. This is where my heart lies, but...
I think you'll be surprised big time by Argentina, a la Italy in the last cup. They won't win like Italy did, but they'll do very well.
England? pfft, you better HOPE they win their Group and the US doesn't, cause man oh man will you have to deal with me.
However... If I was a gambling man, my money would be on the African teams - mainly Ivory Coast.
- Oni

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onifre
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Message 11 of 291 (555641)
04-14-2010 6:04 PM
Reply to: Message 10 by Taq
04-14-2010 4:14 PM


Baseball and american football were way more popular than soccer before the invention of the TV.
Why were these sports promoted as US sports? I don't want to drag this thread off course but there is a history of post-war propaganda surrounding these two sports.
There never has been a strong audience for soccer in the States.
How, if the US was built by immigrants from the countries that LOVE these sports? There always has been a strong audience. But, the audience that loves it are the "people" no one really cares about - foreigners. Watch spanish TV, it's all soccer.
More so, are you ignoring the millions of hispanics and people from europe, africa, australia, middle east, asian, etc., who currently live here and love the sport? Maybe they're not as seen as some obnoxious football fan, but they're there.
But now we're getting into why people don't follow the game, which is different to why TV networks don't promote it. TV network's specific reason is commercials, on regular, everyday games. An exception or two can be made, but overall, unless the way the game is played gets changed, normal coverage of a soccer game would suck for advertisers.
Just last weekend the Masters was on with very limited commercial interruption. The tradition has been 2 minutes of commercials every hour during the final round of the Masters broadcast. It can be done. The reason MLS put in more breaks for commercials was so ESPN/ABC could make money on the low audience draw.
And they'll do the same for the World Cup. They do it every four years. But normally, that is not the case for golf nor soccer. You are talking about an exception to the normal process.
- Oni

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onifre
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Message 14 of 291 (555656)
04-14-2010 7:19 PM
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04-14-2010 7:00 PM


It's probably because the yanks never were any good at cricket or at Aussie rules football
Haha! True. But honestly I don't think the "yanks" were any good at any sports, that's why they quickly switched to black people and hispanics.
"We don't like soccer cause it's played by foreigners and minorities. But we like football, baseball and basketball because....um, well, ah. Hmm..."
This comment should piss a few people off - lol
- Oni

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onifre
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Message 35 of 291 (556161)
04-17-2010 7:04 PM
Reply to: Message 31 by Jumped Up Chimpanzee
04-17-2010 9:57 AM


Re: I will be brief
It anoys me that sports stars - and especially footballers - get criticised so much for what they earn, when you hardly ever hear any criticism of film stars and pop stars who earn just as much.
Here in the US both get critizied, athletes and actors. But what the public fails to realize, especially with acting, movies and Hollywood, is that it's a handful of people who make "money" in Hollywood. Just as, it's a handful of athletes who make serious money.
For actors, the majority (around 95%) are hard working people who don't live that glamorous life. Even people you would consider having "fame", like say Joe Rogan, aren't filthy rich people. And Joe is on the high end, but works his ass off.
But, like with athletes and actors, we should consider the fact that there are other people profiting in a huge way from these guys. Like Chris Rock said, "Shaq is rich, the guy who signs his check is wealthy." So the money to pay an athlete like A-Rod or Shaq isn't being taken away from something else that is suffering, it is being pay to them by filthy rich owners who OWE these players a cut of the huge earnings. Because, if it wasn't for them, the owners wouldn't have shit.
I agree that if we compare, say what a doctor does and an athlete, it's obvious who desrves more based on the work they do. But that's not the point we should be looking at. What we should recognize is that there is a bigger fish feeding off the sweat of these athletes that, if they didn't pay the athletes that kind of money, they would take all the profit for themselves. That would be worse.
Say Tom Cruise get 20 million for a movie. Now, how much did Miramax make from the movie? That's the question. And is the percentage they gave Tom fair?
Some actors only get a percentage, some get a based pay and a percentage. Depending on their experience and career the percentage goes up.
Say you stand to make 10% off the film after the studio's been paid, etc. If for example Miramax made 300 million on the film, and you were one of the reasons the film did well, why should Miramax keep all of it? You're 10% is earned and deserved because someone else is profiting much much more from you.
Just my opinion...
- Oni

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onifre
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Message 36 of 291 (556162)
04-17-2010 7:08 PM
Reply to: Message 34 by Huntard
04-17-2010 2:22 PM


Re: I will be brief
I agree with you, they shouldn't earn as much either.
And let the studios keep all the earnings? Or, let the owners of the sports teams keep all the money?
Why should actors or athletes not make a fair percentage off the money being made by CEO's of major companies, networks, studios, etc.?
If they didn't make that much, some suit would be making a lot more. Would that be fair?
- Oni

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onifre
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Message 38 of 291 (556175)
04-17-2010 9:16 PM
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04-17-2010 8:51 PM


Re: I will be brief
Hi Bluejay,
I think the idealistic scenario you're arguing against involves more than just limits on entertainers' salaries: I think it's more a commentary on the priorities of society than it is a call for some sort of change to the legal or economic system.
Well I didn't get that from the posts I read. It just seemed like people here didn't think actors/athletes deserved to be paid that much.
But let me ask, what do you mean by the "priorities of society"...? Do you think society prioritizes athletics and entertainment more than education? Cause if that's what you mean then I agree 100%.
But here's the thing, what is the end purpose of having an education? If it's to learn, gain knowledge, become a smarter person, then education in that sense doesn't require school. It just requires investing time to learn. If the purpose of an education is to get a good job, that pays well, helps you buy a home, a car, go on vacation and basically enjoy certain luxuries in life - if that's the end purpose - then what's the difference in achieving that goal through other means?
That's why I'm curious as to what you mean by "priorities of socirty;" what do you feel is priority and for what end purpose?
- Oni
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onifre
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Message 50 of 291 (560527)
05-15-2010 7:23 PM
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05-15-2010 6:54 PM


Re: Odds
My final four pick: Spain, Argentina, Ivory Coast and Italy.
- Oni

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onifre
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Message 52 of 291 (560532)
05-15-2010 7:48 PM
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05-15-2010 7:43 PM


Re: Odds
Yeah I pretty much flipped a coin between Italy and Germany.
You guys too. But I couldn't bring myself to give it to you.
- Oni

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onifre
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Message 54 of 291 (560534)
05-15-2010 7:59 PM
Reply to: Message 53 by Straggler
05-15-2010 7:55 PM


Re: Odds
Then we predictably go out on penalties in the quarter finals. Probably to Germany. Bastards.
Spoken like a true fan.
I'm a bit drunk. BTW.
Cheers! It's 2 hours before my show so I'm baked.
- Oni

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onifre
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Message 111 of 291 (565587)
06-18-2010 9:40 AM
Reply to: Message 82 by Straggler
06-15-2010 6:41 PM


Goal keepers are supposed to STOP the ball...
No - I am not surprised the cheating Yank gits tied with England. How dare they shoot so pathetically that it surprises our highly trained goalkeeper into submission on the basis of shock poorness.
For shame, England, for shame...
Now that I'm back in the states, it's time to talk shit, but first, lets watch that goal again.
and maybe one more time
Wow, how sad and pathetic. He looked like a little league baseball player playing second base for the first time.
Don't worry Straggler, I'm sure England will bounce back and make it to the top 16. But man was that shitty display of goal keeping awesome, I mean awesome for me.
Stay tune for more shit talking....
- Oni

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onifre
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Message 115 of 291 (565593)
06-18-2010 10:00 AM
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06-18-2010 9:57 AM


Re: Goal keepers are supposed to STOP the ball...
When are you next out of the country? Can I buy you a ticket?
Yes you may. Fly me to England.
- Oni

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onifre
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Message 117 of 291 (565597)
06-18-2010 10:21 AM
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06-18-2010 10:15 AM


Re: Goal keepers are supposed to STOP the ball...
blow the second rig ....
Speaking of blow....
- Just can't get enough of that.
- Oni

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onifre
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Message 120 of 291 (565601)
06-18-2010 10:47 AM
Reply to: Message 119 by Huntard
06-18-2010 10:37 AM


Re: Goal keepers are supposed to STOP the ball...
Actually the US is down by 2 goals! and Spain will be in the final 4 regardless of what happened with the Swiss.
- Oni

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Message 122 of 291 (565611)
06-18-2010 11:45 AM


USA should be 3-2
That was total BULLSHIT!!!
Should be 3-2 USA. Cock suckin ref asshole!
- Oni

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