Register | Sign In


Understanding through Discussion


EvC Forum active members: 65 (9162 total)
6 online now:
Newest Member: popoi
Post Volume: Total: 915,817 Year: 3,074/9,624 Month: 919/1,588 Week: 102/223 Day: 0/13 Hour: 0/0


Thread  Details

Email This Thread
Newer Topic | Older Topic
  
Author Topic:   Creation as presented in Genesis chapters 1 and 2
ICANT
Member
Posts: 6769
From: SSC
Joined: 03-12-2007
Member Rating: 1.5


Message 61 of 607 (560629)
05-16-2010 4:07 PM
Reply to: Message 60 by Iblis
05-16-2010 1:46 PM


Re: Iblis Garden Spade
Hi Iblis,
Iblis writes:
If we aren't descended from them, how did we inherit their fruit catalyzed Lamarckian degeneration into sin and infamy? If we are descended from the perfect pair made in the image etc. why ain't we perfect?
We are not descended from the man formed from the dust of the ground and the woman that was made from his rib, sho were the only people created perfect. They had no sin or penalty for sin until the man disobeyed God.
But when this man disobeyed God sin entered into the world.
Sin and the penalty of sin has never been removed from this world.
That is the reason John recorded in 3:16 "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."
Paul tells:
Paul writes:
Romans 5:19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.
There is no scripture that says that the mankind that was created male and female in Genesis 1:27 was perfect and not subject to the penalty of sin that was already in the world.
Iblis writes:
Was Cain the child of the garden of Eden pair, or of the other pair some awesomely indefinite time long afterward? If the latter, how did he happen to move just east of Eden? If the former, then Seth was their son too, as he was spoken of as a replacement for Abel whom Cain slew. But if we aren't descended from them, then why does the Adam -- Seth -- Enos genealogy from those garden passages make it into the other guy's bloodline and ride along all the way up to Luke?
This is a debate not an argument.
I am affirming that there is a creation story in Genesis chapter 2 and a different one in Genesis chapter 1:2-1:31 using the KJV, LXX, and Hebrew texts. If you care to refute please do, in answer to the posts wherein is posted the parts you disagree with.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

This message is a reply to:
 Message 60 by Iblis, posted 05-16-2010 1:46 PM Iblis has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 63 by Iblis, posted 05-16-2010 4:53 PM ICANT has replied

ICANT
Member
Posts: 6769
From: SSC
Joined: 03-12-2007
Member Rating: 1.5


Message 62 of 607 (560630)
05-16-2010 4:10 PM
Reply to: Message 60 by Iblis
05-16-2010 1:46 PM


Re: Iblis Garden Spade
Deleted Double Post
Edited by ICANT, : No reason given.

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

This message is a reply to:
 Message 60 by Iblis, posted 05-16-2010 1:46 PM Iblis has not replied

Iblis
Member (Idle past 3896 days)
Posts: 663
Joined: 11-17-2005


Message 63 of 607 (560633)
05-16-2010 4:53 PM
Reply to: Message 61 by ICANT
05-16-2010 4:07 PM


Re: ICANT Garden Spade
This is a debate not an argument.
So in other words you can't reconcile your version of Gap Theory with the genealogies that give Genesis their purpose and which are affirmed and reaffirmed throughout the Bible. And whenever anyone asks you about this discrepancy, you just dodge. That's kind of pitiful, don't you think?
Real Gap Theory at least attempts to answer every question raised not only by the Bible itself but by the findings of science in areas like geology, archaeology and physics. Your version can't even reconcile Genesis chapter 3 with Genesis chapter 3.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 61 by ICANT, posted 05-16-2010 4:07 PM ICANT has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 65 by ICANT, posted 05-17-2010 1:06 AM Iblis has replied

Straggler
Member
Posts: 10333
From: London England
Joined: 09-30-2006


Message 64 of 607 (560642)
05-16-2010 6:09 PM
Reply to: Message 59 by ICANT
05-16-2010 1:23 PM


Occam's Chainsaw Massacre
Now I reaaly am confused.
Which set of humans (the first or second) did Adam and Eve belong to?
What happened to the first lot of humans?

This message is a reply to:
 Message 59 by ICANT, posted 05-16-2010 1:23 PM ICANT has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 67 by ICANT, posted 05-17-2010 1:41 AM Straggler has not replied

ICANT
Member
Posts: 6769
From: SSC
Joined: 03-12-2007
Member Rating: 1.5


Message 65 of 607 (560696)
05-17-2010 1:06 AM
Reply to: Message 63 by Iblis
05-16-2010 4:53 PM


Re: ICANT Garden Spade
Hi Iblis,
Iblis writes:
Real Gap Theory at least attempts to answer every question raised not only by the Bible itself but by the findings of science in areas like geology, archaeology and physics. Your version can't even reconcile Genesis chapter 3 with Genesis chapter 3.
I have not put forth a gap theory.
The scope of this debate was to affirm that there was a creation story in Genesis 1:2-31. And a creation story in Chapter 2.
But what am I supposed to reconcile the story about the snake and a man and a woman being kicked out of a garden because the man disobeyed God with?
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

This message is a reply to:
 Message 63 by Iblis, posted 05-16-2010 4:53 PM Iblis has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 66 by Iblis, posted 05-17-2010 1:39 AM ICANT has replied

Iblis
Member (Idle past 3896 days)
Posts: 663
Joined: 11-17-2005


Message 66 of 607 (560698)
05-17-2010 1:39 AM
Reply to: Message 65 by ICANT
05-17-2010 1:06 AM


Occam's Bible Scissors
The scope of this debate was to affirm that there was a creation story in Genesis 1:2-31. And a creation story in Chapter 2.
I agree, and remain interested in your chronology. With the minor correction that the Week of Weeks document runs from Genesis 1:1 to 2:3 or 2:4, depending whether that's a header or a footer.
But what am I supposed to reconcile the story about the snake and a man and a woman being kicked out of a garden because the man disobeyed God with?
You appear to be claiming that the Adam and Ishshah of Genesis 2:1 through 3:19 are not the same people as the Adam and Ishshah of Genesis 3:20. But they obviously are, as the story continues with skins for clothing and their expulsion from Eden.
Or perhaps you stick the break between 3:24 and 4:1, but if so why is that Ishshah also named Eve and why wasn't the original Eve actually the mother of all living, as 3:20 states? And why do these new unconnected humans live right near Eden, so that when Cain takes off, he moves to the land of Nod "on the east of Eden" in 4:16?
Or perhaps you stick the break between 4:24 and 4:25, but if so, why does that Eve bear a son again, and why is that son, Seth, referred to as a replacement for Abel whom Cain slew? And even with all this, Seth then begets Enos in 4:26. Thus, after the real recognizable literary break, between 4:26 and 5:1, the genealogy commences by identifying the Adam who begets Seth who begets Enos, as the Adam who was created in the likeness, male and female, and as the common ancestor of everyone worth keep tracking of.
So show the break. I understand you object to certain parts of the Masoretic or Authorized text, fine, let's clear up which and why. I'm obviously not getting it, make me smarter than I am.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 65 by ICANT, posted 05-17-2010 1:06 AM ICANT has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 68 by ICANT, posted 05-17-2010 2:47 AM Iblis has not replied

ICANT
Member
Posts: 6769
From: SSC
Joined: 03-12-2007
Member Rating: 1.5


Message 67 of 607 (560699)
05-17-2010 1:41 AM
Reply to: Message 64 by Straggler
05-16-2010 6:09 PM


Re: Confused
Hi Straggler,
Straggler writes:
Which set of humans (the first or second) did Adam and Eve belong to?
Eve is the word translators used for the Hebrew word meaning life or living. But this person was the woman that was formed from the rib of the man formed from the dust of the earth.
Adam is not a proper name. It is the transliteration (substituting the english letter for the Hebrew letter) of the Hebrew word for mankind. So every human that has ever existed is Adam, mankind.
These people belonged to the creation story in Genesis chapter 2.
Straggler writes:
What happened to the first lot of humans?
They died the same day the man disobeyed God and ate the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.
Moses writes:
Genesis 2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
I know they died because they were not swimming around in Genesis 1:2.
A point of information if you have not read the entire thread which it seems you haven't from your posts.
A day is a light period or a combination of a light period and a dark period.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

This message is a reply to:
 Message 64 by Straggler, posted 05-16-2010 6:09 PM Straggler has not replied

ICANT
Member
Posts: 6769
From: SSC
Joined: 03-12-2007
Member Rating: 1.5


Message 68 of 607 (560704)
05-17-2010 2:47 AM
Reply to: Message 66 by Iblis
05-17-2010 1:39 AM


Re: Clarification for Iblis
Hi Iblis,
Iblis writes:
So show the break. I understand you object to certain parts of the Masoretic or Authorized text, fine, let's clear up which and why. I'm obviously not getting it, make me smarter than I am.
Genesis 1:1 Creation of heaven and earth.
Genesis 2:4-4:24 History of the day of the creation of the heaven and the earth.
The scriptures did not have chapters until Stephen Langton, an Archbishop of Canterbury, put the modern chapter divisions into place in around A.D. 1227.
When people change things in the Bible it is hard to remove all traces of the truth. Lets examine:
Moses writes:
Genesis 4:1 And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD.
4:2 And she again bare his brother Abel. And Abel was a keeper of sheep, but Cain was a tiller of the ground.
The man (Adam/mankind) knew Eve his wife and she bare Cain and she again bare his brother Abel.
Since the writer was writing a very long time after this event why did not the next verse include the statement in Genesis 4:25?
But why did Genesis 4:25 say The man knew his wife instead of Eve and she bare a son and called his name Seth. Then the reason given was to replace Abel.
How old was the man when Cain was born?
How old was Cain when Enoch was born?
How old was Enoch when Irad was born?
How old was Irad when Mehujael was born?
How old was Mehujael when Methusael was born?
How old was Methusael when Lamech was born?
How old was Lamech when Jabal was born?
Lamech had several sons and one daughter mentioned?
We have the history of 9 generations of people before Adam is said to have known his wife and she produced Seth to replace Abel.
But the Adam in Genesis 5:3 was only 120 years old when Seth was born.
But this Adam was created in Genesis 1:27 at the same time as the woman.
How could this man after 9 generations only be 120 years old?
This is the case of someone trying to make the Bible say what they thought it was supposed to say.
The man formed from the dust of the Ground was created before Genesis 1:2 as he was formed in the day the heaven and the earth was created.
Why is it that none of the people in Genesis chapter 4 lived a certain number of years and then died?
The death of 2 people are recorded. Abel who was killed by Cain and a young man that was killed by Lamech.
There is no age given for any of these people.
What could be the reason for that?
If I am correct there was a light period that lasted from the beginning until the evening found in Genesis 1:2 which God added a dark period to and declared it to be the first Day in Genesis 1:5.
That would be a good reason for no ages given as there was nothing to measure time as we know it by.
BTW this is said to happen in the New Heaven and the new Earth in Revelation 22:5.
I do know the generations of the man in Genesis 5:1 is those of the man created in Genesis 1:27 as it specifically says:
Genesis 5:1 This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him;
5:2 Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created.
The man in Genesis 2:7 was formed from the dust of the ground and God breathed the breath of life into him.
They are not the same man.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

This message is a reply to:
 Message 66 by Iblis, posted 05-17-2010 1:39 AM Iblis has not replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 69 by Straggler, posted 05-17-2010 12:46 PM ICANT has replied

Straggler
Member
Posts: 10333
From: London England
Joined: 09-30-2006


Message 69 of 607 (560759)
05-17-2010 12:46 PM
Reply to: Message 68 by ICANT
05-17-2010 2:47 AM


Re: Clarification for Iblis
This is the case of someone trying to make the Bible say what they thought it was supposed to say.
Hold that thought!! Extrapolate to it's logical conclusion. Now why do you think any of the bible is the literal word of God?

This message is a reply to:
 Message 68 by ICANT, posted 05-17-2010 2:47 AM ICANT has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 70 by ICANT, posted 05-17-2010 2:44 PM Straggler has replied

ICANT
Member
Posts: 6769
From: SSC
Joined: 03-12-2007
Member Rating: 1.5


Message 70 of 607 (560771)
05-17-2010 2:44 PM
Reply to: Message 69 by Straggler
05-17-2010 12:46 PM


Do you care to Debate the Affirmed?
Hi Straggler,
Straggler writes:
Hold that thought!! Extrapolate to it's logical conclusion. Now why do you think any of the bible is the literal word of God?
What difference does it make Whether the Bible is the literal word of God or not to the affirmations I made in the OP?
In this thread I am not affirming the Bible being the literal word of God.
I am affirming there is a creation story in Genesis 1:2-31.
I am affirming there is a creation story in Genesis chapter 2.
As recorded in the KJV Bible and supported by the LXX, and Hebrew text.
ICANT writes:
I know from verse 1 the heaven and the earth was (bara) created.
I know from verse 2 it had become uninhabitable as it was covered with water.
I know from verse 3 God caused light to be on the earth. It says nothing about Him (bara) creating the light. He just made it visible.
I know from verse 4 God divided the light from the darkness. It was dark on half of the earth and light on the other half of the earth.
I know from verse 5 God called the light day and the darkness night. It also tells me a light period and a dark period equals one day.
The light period of Genesis 1:1 and the dark period that ended with the light period of the second day was declared the first day.
I know from verse 6, 7, and 8 that God separated the waters from the uplifted waters and called that atmosphere heaven. This is where the birds and our airplanes fly.
I know from verse 8 the light period that began with the end of the dark period of the first day and ended with the light period of the third day was the second day.
I know from verse 9 that God caused all the water to gather in one place and let dry land appear as it is shown in my avatar.
I know from verse 10 that God called the dry land earth and the water sea.
So far nothing has been created only rearranged.
I know from verse 11 that God had the earth bring forth grass, herbs, and fruit trees, from their seed which was upon the earth.
I know from verse 12 that the earth obeyed and produced grass, herbs, and fruit trees.
I know from verse 13 the light period that began with the end of the dark period of the second day and ended with the light period of the fourth day was the third day.
I know from verse 14 and 15 that God caused visible lights in the heavens to be for signs and seasons, days and years and to give light upon the earth.
I know from verse 16, 17 and 18 that God caused two great lights to be visible on earth one to rule the day and one to rule the night. He also caused the stars to be visible on earth.
Still nothing has been (bara) created they were only made visible on earth.
I know from verse 19 the light period that began with the end of the dark period of the third day and ended with the light period of the fifth day was the fourth day.
I know from verse 20 that God caused the waters to bring forth water creatures and fowl to fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.
Still nothing (bara) created.
I know from verse 21 that God (bara) created great whales.
The first thing created that was not created in Genesis 1:1.
I know from verse 22 that God blessed them and told them to multiply and fill the waters and the fowl to multiply on the earth.
I know from verse 23 the light period that began with the end of the dark period of the fourth day and ended with the light period of the sixth day was the fifth day.
I know from verse 24 and 25 God called the living creature, cattle, creeping things, and beasts of the earth after their kind. That means they had already existed to come forth after their kind.
I know from verse 26 and 27 that God (bara) created mankind in His image male and female He created them. Did He create 2 or a thousand there is no way to know as the scripture does not say. He gave mankind dominion over the creatures on earth.
I know from verse 28 God blessed them and told them to be fruitful and multiply and replenish the earth and subdue it.
I know from verse 29 that God told them they could eat of every herb bearing seed and every tree that yielded fruit with a seed. No fruit of any tree was forbidden to mankind.
I know from verse 30 that the fowl of the air and every thing that creepeth on the earth that every green herb was given for meat.
I know from verse 31 the light period that began with the end of the dark period of the fifth day and ended with the light period of the seventh day was the sixth day.
I am affirming these things are written in Genesis chapter 1 in the KJV Bible, supported by the Lxx, and the Hebrew texts.
Do you or anyone else have any rebuttal to what I have presented?
I am affirming the following creation story took place and is recorded in Genesis chapter 2.
ICANT writes:
Moses writes:
Genesis 2:4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,
I know from this verse that the following things are the history of the creation of the heaven and the earth in Genesis 1:1.
I know from Genesis 1:1 That the heaven and the earth was created in the beginning. It was already in existence when Genesis 1:2 took place. Therefore it was not created during the 6 days described in Genesis 1:2-31.
Verse 4 of chapter 2 is the beginning of the history of what happened in the day (light period) the heaven and the earth was created.
I know from verse 5 there was no life on earth. There was no man, plant, tree, or herb of the field and it had not rained on the earth.
I know from verse 6 God caused the earth to be water from a mist that came from underground.
I know from verse 7 the first life form on earth was man that God formed a man of the dust of the ground.
I also know God breathed into his nostrils the breath of life and that man became a living being.
I know from verse 8 Eden existed and God planted a garden eastward in Eden. God then put the man in this garden.
I know from verse 9 God caused every tree that is pleasant to the sight and good for food to grow. He also provided the tree of life and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.
I know from verse 10 that a river went out of Eden to water the garden. After watering the garden it divided into 4 rivers.
I know from verses 11-14 some information about these rivers. I don't know the purpose of these verses.
I know from verse 15 that God gave the man He had formed from the dust of the ground a job. He was to dress the garden and keep it.
I know from verses 16 and 17 that the man was told he could eat of every tree of the garden except he could not eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.
I also know that he was told if he did eat of that tree he would die the same day. It does not say if God explained what death was but since God is just He had to explain it to the man.
I know from verse 18 God said it was not good for man to be alone and He said He would make him an help meet.
I know from verse 19 God formed every animal and every fowl from the ground. He then brought them to the man to see what he would call them.
I know from verse 20 the man gave names to all cattle, all fowl, and the beast of the field. But God had not made a help meet for the man yet.
I know from verse 21 God removed a rib from the man.
I know from verse 22 God cloned a woman from the rib He had taken from the man, and brought her to him.
That concluded the creation events recorded in this history. But there is much history left.
I know from verse 23 that the man said this is bone of my bones and flesh of my flesh and that she would be called woman.
I know from verse 24 the man said because of this man will leave home and cleave to his wife and they shall be one flesh.
I know from verse 25 they were naked and were not ashamed. They lived in perfect inn once.
I know at this time there had been no water creatures created.
I know at this time there is no mention of seas.
I know that this is the record of what happened in Genesis 1:1 as Genesis 2:4 declares that it is.
I am affirming these things are written in Genesis chapter 2 in the KJV Bible, supported by the Lxx, and the Hebrew texts.
Do you or anyone else have any rebuttal to what I have presented?
I am prepared to defend my affirmations.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

This message is a reply to:
 Message 69 by Straggler, posted 05-17-2010 12:46 PM Straggler has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 71 by Straggler, posted 05-17-2010 3:34 PM ICANT has replied
 Message 72 by Peg, posted 05-17-2010 9:16 PM ICANT has replied

Straggler
Member
Posts: 10333
From: London England
Joined: 09-30-2006


Message 71 of 607 (560779)
05-17-2010 3:34 PM
Reply to: Message 70 by ICANT
05-17-2010 2:44 PM


Re: Do you care to Debate the Affirmed?
Do you or anyone else have any rebuttal to what I have presented?
Well it seems that you are taking blatant contradictions in the bible regarding the same people and the same biblical events and weaving your own tale of two humanities.
Quite how you justify this is the part I am obviously missing?

This message is a reply to:
 Message 70 by ICANT, posted 05-17-2010 2:44 PM ICANT has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 74 by ICANT, posted 05-17-2010 9:47 PM Straggler has replied

Peg
Member (Idle past 4930 days)
Posts: 2703
From: melbourne, australia
Joined: 11-22-2008


Message 72 of 607 (560833)
05-17-2010 9:16 PM
Reply to: Message 70 by ICANT
05-17-2010 2:44 PM


Re: Do you care to Debate the Affirmed?
ICANT writes:
I am affirming these things are written in Genesis chapter 1 in the KJV Bible, supported by the Lxx, and the Hebrew texts.
Do you or anyone else have any rebuttal to what I have presented?
I am affirming the following creation story took place and is recorded in Genesis chapter 2.
So you are saying that there were 2 creation events in the one creation account.
However, Genesis chpt 2 is not a separate creation account. Gen chpt 2 is infact telling the same creation story from a different angle.
Vs 4 says "This is A HISTORY OF THE HEAVENS AND THE EARTH in the time of their being created, in the day that Jehovah God made earth and heaven"
The literal hebrew uses the term the 'genealogical-annals-of theheavens andtheearth meaning the 'history of what has been created'
So Moses is simply repeating his first creation account....he is not speaking of a different creation account. There is only one creation of man and woman...the first two being Adam and Eve.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 70 by ICANT, posted 05-17-2010 2:44 PM ICANT has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 73 by ICANT, posted 05-17-2010 9:37 PM Peg has replied

ICANT
Member
Posts: 6769
From: SSC
Joined: 03-12-2007
Member Rating: 1.5


Message 73 of 607 (560843)
05-17-2010 9:37 PM
Reply to: Message 72 by Peg
05-17-2010 9:16 PM


Re: Do you care to Debate the Affirmed?
Hi Peg,
Peg writes:
So you are saying that there were 2 creation events in the one creation account.
No I am affirming there are two separate creations described in Genesis. One in Chapter 1 verse 2-31 and a totally separate creation described in Chapter 2 verses 4-25.
Assertions is not debating and is certainly not refuting.
If you care to refute either of the accounts I presented take them verse by verse and rebut my affirmations.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

This message is a reply to:
 Message 72 by Peg, posted 05-17-2010 9:16 PM Peg has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 75 by Peg, posted 05-17-2010 10:57 PM ICANT has replied

ICANT
Member
Posts: 6769
From: SSC
Joined: 03-12-2007
Member Rating: 1.5


Message 74 of 607 (560845)
05-17-2010 9:47 PM
Reply to: Message 71 by Straggler
05-17-2010 3:34 PM


Re: Do you care to Debate the Affirmed?
Hi Straggler,
Straggler writes:
Quite how you justify this is the part I am obviously missing?
Then why don't you take my message with my affirmations in it and take it apart verse by verse. It might help your understanding and you might be able to point out my misunderstanding of the two accounts.
It is a widely held belief in the scholarly community is that there are two creation stories in Genesis:
Essays on Good & Evil: Angels & Demons, God & The Devil
You do realize your assertions is not rebutal, don't you?
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

This message is a reply to:
 Message 71 by Straggler, posted 05-17-2010 3:34 PM Straggler has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 79 by Straggler, posted 05-18-2010 1:27 PM ICANT has replied

Peg
Member (Idle past 4930 days)
Posts: 2703
From: melbourne, australia
Joined: 11-22-2008


Message 75 of 607 (560857)
05-17-2010 10:57 PM
Reply to: Message 73 by ICANT
05-17-2010 9:37 PM


Re: Do you care to Debate the Affirmed?
Hi ICANT,
ICANT writes:
If you care to refute either of the accounts I presented take them verse by verse and rebut my affirmations.
i do refute your assertion that there are two creation accounts.
As i said, Gen 2:4 shows that the account being described in chpt 2 is the same as the account in chpt 1 because chpt 2:4 says
'these are the geneological annals which were from the beginning' ....the beginning being what was described in chpt 1:1 'in the beginning God created the heavens and earth'
And besides that, even Jesus commented that Adam and Eve were the ones that God created 'in the beginning'
Matt 19:4-6Did you not read that he who created them at the beginning made them male and female and said: ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and his mother and will stick to his wife, and the two will be one flesh’?"
What was jesus quoting here? He was quoting Genesis 2:24 which says "That is why a man will leave his father and his mother and he must stick to his wife and they must become one flesh"
Yet, Jesus says that this was the couple that God made 'in the beginning' which is what Genisis 1:1 says 'in the beginning'
So chpt 1 & 2 are discussing the same account of creation but contain different details of the same story.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 73 by ICANT, posted 05-17-2010 9:37 PM ICANT has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 76 by ICANT, posted 05-17-2010 11:44 PM Peg has replied

Newer Topic | Older Topic
Jump to:


Copyright 2001-2023 by EvC Forum, All Rights Reserved

™ Version 4.2
Innovative software from Qwixotic © 2024