Creation as presented in Genesis chapters 1 and 2

Hi Peg, As I said assertions is not refutation. Where is the refutation there as they agree? Since these things took place in Genesis 1:1 which was the beginning where is the refutation as they agree. Since this happened in Genesis 1:1 which was the beginning where is the refutation as they agree. Since every statement you have made is in total agreement with what I have presented there is no refutation of any point that you have raised what are you making the conclusion that they are the same account on?Feel free to correct me on any point you raised that I missed.God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

let me get this straight.Do you mean to imply that everything spoken of in Genesis chpt 1 happened in Vs 1 which states 'in the beginning God created the heavens and the earth'and then everything in chpt 2 is an entirely different creation by God?If thats what you mean, then i would just like to remind you that Gen chpt 2 states that the 7th day began and God proceeded to 'rest from his work' on that day. Thus the heavens and the earth and all their army came to their completion. 2And by the seventh day God came to the completion of his work that he had made, and he proceeded to rest on the seventh day from all his work that he had made. 3And God proceeded to bless the seventh day and make it sacred, because on it he has been resting from all his work that God has created for the purpose of makingTo me this implies that Gods creative works regarding the earth and mankind were completed by the end of the 6th day....and his 'resting' meant that no more creative works were forthcoming. Otherwise why would moses even say this if he kept on creating more lifeforms on the earth???

Well now you're just being inconsistent. You pick and choose when you want to use the Chapter divisions and when you don't, and when you want to take one specific word as divinely inspired or not. You have your a priori belief and you'll twist the Bible to fit it however you need to.There's no reason to take your particular apologetic over any other one.That you can twist the Bible up so bad as to avoid any refutation isn't saying anything more than you're skills as a mental gymnast.ABE: From your own source:

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Timeframes of the Two Accounts
Scholars categorize these two stories into two separate time frames. The first is known as the Priestly (P) account because it is associated with the priestly caste of ancient Israel, while the second is known as the Jahwist (J) account because the J writer always calls the Creator, Yahweh.

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The P account is dated much earlier than the J account because it is mythological in nature. Scholars believe that it was based on the Enuma Alish, an ancient Babylonian myth. The P account also tends to try to "de-mythologize the cosmological myths" (Buchner, Frank. Ph.D. "Genesis 1-3") in the final analysis. The emphasis here is on the Sabbath (the seventh day when God rested) and also on the image of mankind as being in the image of God so that man is perceived as being superior to all other of God's creations.

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On the other hand, the J account is less concerned with trying to historicalize the act of creation and more interested in explaining why mankind differs from both the LORD God and the LORD God's other creations. It shows how man and woman try to become like the LORD God by means of eating the fruit of knowledge of good and evil and so are inferior to the LORD God, but also how they are separated from the LORD God's other creations because they marry, they are ashamed of their sexuality and nakedness, they must work hard for their food, and why women experience pain during childbirth.

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Moses didn't write either of them...Edited by Catholic Scientist, : No reason given.

Because I am asking why you think that the two accounts relate to different events and people. Rather than two contradictory and inconsistent accounts of the same things? What assertion? I have simply asked you to justify why it is you think there are two separate sets of events rather than one that has been accounted for inconsistently.So?

Hi Straggler, Am I supposed to think?I thought I was affirming that there is two separate distinct stories, as recorded in KJV Bible and supported by the LXX and Hebrew text.I presented what the KJV says and it says there are two different stories.I have outlined verse by verse what transpired and presented why I affirm that there are two stories recorded in the KJV.If you believe there are two stories talking about the same events please present your case as to what you are affirming and I will then rebut your argument.But it would save time if you just rebutted my affirmations. I don't take the following as asking for justification.In [mid=5607720] you said. You made a declarative statement that I was taking blatant contradictions in the bible regarding the same people and the same biblical events and weaving my own tale of two humanities.That is not debating.That is trying to pick a fight by insulting my intelligence. It is your standard operating procedure.So if you want to discuss how this is what you claim present your case.If you don't want to present your case then refute my affirmations.God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

Hi Peg, No.I am affirming that everything in Genesis 2:4-25 occurred in the day the heaven and earth was created in Genesis 1:1.That day being the light period that ended at Genesis 1:2 with evening which when God added a dark period that ended with morning which God declared the first day.I am also affirming that Genesis 1:2-31 took place some 6000+ years ago. I would remind you that when Moses wrote Genesis he did not divide it into verses and chapters.But you are stating that chapter one tells what has transpired in the day God created the heaven and the earth. Which you state was existing at Genesis 1:2 and had been for a long time.If you would refute my affirmations you could clear up what the KJV Bible says either in my mind or yours. God ceased His creating when He created mankind male and female in Genesis 1:27. His next creation will be a New Heaven and Earth after this one melts with fervent heat.God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

Hi CS, I can get along fine without verses and chapters as far as understanding what is written.It just makes it a lot harder to find specific sections of the Bible as that is what the verses and chapters was introduced for. I agree.Anyone can believe anything they want to believe but that does not make it so.On that note if you have and opinion why don't you take my affirmations and rebut them. Maybe we could both learn something. As I said everyone is entitled to their opinion.I used the site as they say there is 2 creation stories in Genesis. I don't have to agree with them as to who they think wrote the two stories or why they think two stories exist.God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

I would have thought it was something of a prerequisite. Yes you have - And the end result seems to be nothing more than an opinionated assertion on your part that two stories involving the same basic events involving people with the same names are two entirely seperate stories because you are unwilling to even entertain the idea that the bible might contradict itself in any way. So I keep being told. Maybe people just don't like having their baseless assumptions questioned?

Ah i see.Do you include the heavens/universe in that 6,000 year time frame?

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As I said everyone is entitled to their opinion.

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I used the site as they say there is 2 creation stories in Genesis. I don't have to agree with them as to who they think wrote the two stories or why they think two stories exist.

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God Bless,

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Take a look at Genesis 36:31

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31Now these are the kings who reigned in the land of Edom before any (O)king reigned over the sons of Israel.

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As early as in the eleventh century CE it was pointed out that the Edomite king list in this chapter was made up of names of persons who would have reigned long after Moses had died. It was one of the earliest passages that scholars said must have been written by someone other than Moses.Extra info: Gen 36:2-30 was written by author P and Gen 36:31-43 written by J.For starters, you can take a look at wikipedia Documentary hypothesis - WikipediaIn relation to my respond to you from the wikisite:

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Mosaic authorship
Prior to the 17th century both Jews and Christians accepted the traditional view that Moses had written the Torah under the direct inspirationeven dictationof God. A few rabbis and philosophers asked how Moses could have described his own death (Deuteronomy 34:5—10), or given a list of the kings of Edom before those kings ever lived (Genesis 36:31—43), but none doubted the truth of the tradition, for the purpose of scholarship "was to underline the antiquity and authority of the teaching in the Pentateuch, not to demonstrate who wrote the books."[5]

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w00tly w00t awesome moses guy, right?

Hi Straggler, My assumptions are based on what I affirmed using the text of the KJV Bible.If you disagree that the KJV says what I affirmed then rebut my affirmations or assumptions as you put it.God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

Hi Peg, No.I have no idea when the beginning was. That is what Genesis has recorded in Genesis 1:1.Since it was a light period with no darkness (I assume this because the people in chapter 4 have no ages and the man was supposed to die the same day he ate the fruit. But here I may be going out on a limb that someone will saw off).I state again.I am affirming that there are 2 creation stories recorded in Genesis. One in Genesis 1:1 which includes the history recorded in Genesis 2:4-25. The other in Genesis 1:2-31.I affirm the universe and earth existed prior to Genesis 1:2.God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

Hi hotjer, To be able to write about things that happened over 2300 years before he was born I guess so.Now a question for you, what information do we have today that they did not have 2000 years ago?I know we have 2000 years of man changing God's Word. Have you been in a Christian book store lately?I believe Moses wrote the majority of the first 5 books with Joshua writing about Moses death. But it was not impossible for Moses to write about his death as he was informed prior to his death that he would not cross Jordan into the promised land.If you disagree with my assesment of the 2 creation stories in Genesis why not refute my affirmations.God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

i think you are confusing a very simple accountIf you have a look at all ancient tablets you'll notice that none of them open with a title as we know titles today. There are no chapters and no paragraphs....just a bulk of text from start to finish. Its the same with the genesis account of creation.However, what some researchers have discovered about ancient writings is that the first line of text, no matter how long, is actually the title for the information contained on the tablet.If you apply that to the bible, then you can easily conclude that "In the beginning God created the heavens and earth" is simply the title for the information that follows. It has nothing to do with an account of creation, its simply Moses opening words for the information that followed. It was the title of the writing.But yes i agree with you that the earth was created along with the heavens in the beginning which is what Gen 1:1 states. However, I dont believe that at that time, he also made animals and light and seasons etc. They came later when God began to prepare the earth for habitation....so everything from vs 2 onward is explaining that process of preparing the existing earth for habitation including the creation of the life.It would be like God now looking at Venus, a planet that has existed for millions/billions of years, and deciding to prepare it for habitation...this would be where vs 2 comes into play.

Hi Peg,Again I am not affirming what someone else believes.I am affirming that the KJV Bible says: "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth." Genesis 1:1I am affirming that the KJV Bible says in Genesis 2:4 "2:4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,".So the following things had to happen in the light period God created the heaven and earth in and it could not have happened in multiple light periods as the text is specific.It doesn't make any difference if it is right or wrong that is what the text says.It really doesn't make any difference who wrote it, that is what the text says.God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."