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onifre
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Message 241 of 245 (560863)
05-17-2010 11:35 PM
Reply to: Message 239 by nwr
05-17-2010 8:41 PM


Re: The Mindless Middle
I won't further elaborate, nor provide references, for if I do then Straggler will only accuse me of namedropping.

Why do you care what Straggler will do? There are others reading these threads and frankly, some of us also find your position quite vague sometimes. If you don't elaborate or provide references you've done nothing.

I participate at evcforum because I enjoy thoughtful discussions where the parties to the discussion can learn from one another.

But this is a debate forum. People are here to debate the issues not discuss them aimlessly. There is a purpose here is there not?

After several failed attempts, I have to conclude that such thoughtful discussion is impossible between me and Straggler.

From what I've read exchanged between you two, it seems like he is trying to debate your position while you're not trying to make a point nor defend a point. He's aggressive while you're trying to be philosophical. He's not trying to have a thoughtful discussion, he's trying to prove you wrong.

I think you've misread his initial intent. Straggler seeks to destroy. lol

- Oni


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Straggler
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Message 242 of 245 (560943)
05-18-2010 8:30 AM
Reply to: Message 241 by onifre
05-17-2010 11:35 PM


Re: The Mindless Middle
I think you've misread his initial intent. Straggler seeks to destroy. lol

Oh boy have you seen through me.

EXTERMINATE EXTERMINATE!!!


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Straggler
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Message 243 of 245 (560960)
05-18-2010 9:19 AM
Reply to: Message 239 by nwr
05-17-2010 8:41 PM


Re: The Mindless Middle
I'm saying that while there are some broad characterizations that can be given of science, there isn't anything that could be codified precisely enough to be considered a method.

Science is a human endeavor. Nobody disputes this. Nobody is suggesting that we can write the "science algorithm" and leave a bunch of computers to "do science" while we get on with more artistic pursuits.

But that doesn't mean that there is no methodology behind it at all does it? A methodology that (I would argue) is chiefly characterized by the requirement that ones conclusions be compared with empirical reality.

But I won't elaborate here or provide further references because somebody might actually want me to justify something I say. And we can't have that on a science/religion debate board can we?


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Wounded King
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Message 244 of 245 (560967)
05-18-2010 9:59 AM
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05-18-2010 9:19 AM


Re: The Mindless Middle
Nobody is suggesting that we can write the "science algorithm" and leave a bunch of computers to "do science" while we get on with more artistic pursuits.

Some people are, well OK maybe that is an exaggeration.

TTFN,

WK


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Straggler
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Message 245 of 245 (560969)
05-18-2010 10:08 AM
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05-18-2010 9:59 AM


Re: The Mindless Middle
I was using the royal "nobody". I.e as in "nobody that is me".
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