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Straggler
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Message 345 of 419 (561928)
05-24-2010 1:13 PM
Reply to: Message 344 by dkroemer
05-24-2010 1:04 PM


Re: Evolution and the Second Law of Thermodynamics
The chance of getting four perfect bridge hands is 52 factorial. If everyone on Earth played bridge for 3.5 billion years, the chance of getting a perfect bridge hand is less than 0.0000000001 percent. This is the kind of calculation you have to understand in order to do statistical mechanics and thermodynamics. This is the basis of the second law of thermodynamics.
I have a deck of cards. I have just arranged them into suits and number order.
Have I increased the order of the deck of cards? Have I violated the 2nd law of thermodynamics?

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Straggler
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Message 355 of 419 (561952)
05-24-2010 5:28 PM
Reply to: Message 349 by dkroemer
05-24-2010 3:14 PM


Re: Evolution and the Second Law of Thermodynamics
Straggler writes:
I have a deck of cards. I have just arranged them into suits and number order.
Have I increased the order of the deck of cards? Have I violated the 2nd law of thermodynamics?
dkroemer writes:
Yes, you increased the knowledge of the location of the cards.
So as far as you are concerned I violated the 2nd law of thermodynamics by simply sorting cards into an ordered pile.
Can you explain how I was able to defy this fundamental law of nature so simply and easily? Am I special or can anyone defy the 2nd law of thermodynamics if they so choose?

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Straggler
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Message 384 of 419 (562046)
05-25-2010 11:06 AM
Reply to: Message 380 by dkroemer
05-25-2010 9:36 AM


Re: misunderstanding or misrepresentation?
Straggler writes:
I have a deck of cards. I have just arranged them into suits and number order.
Have I increased the order of the deck of cards? Have I violated the 2nd law of thermodynamics?
dkroemer writes:
Yes, you increased the knowledge of the location of the cards.
So as far as you are concerned I violated the 2nd law of thermodynamics by simply sorting cards into an ordered pile.
Can you explain how I was able to defy this fundamental law of nature so simply and easily? Am I special or can anyone defy the 2nd law of thermodynamics if they so choose?
dkroemer writes:
So you admit that the theory of evolution has limited abilities to explain living organisms.
Where do you get that from?

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Straggler
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Message 387 of 419 (562055)
05-25-2010 12:26 PM
Reply to: Message 386 by dkroemer
05-25-2010 12:15 PM


Re: misunderstanding or misrepresentation?
dkroemer writes:
Second law of thermodynamics states that a system of particles tends towards a state of greater disorder.
dkroemer writes:
However, non-biologists and crackpots who say there was so much time and so many organism and so many mutations that common descent is explained by natural selection are violating the second law of thermodynamics.
When I placed my deck of cards in order did I defy the 2nd law of thermodynamics?
When a baby develops from a zygote to an embryo and then on to a fully formed and functioning baby is the 2nd law of thermodynamics being violated?
Maybe you don't understand the 2nd law of thermodynamics?
Edited by Straggler, : No reason given.

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Straggler
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Message 396 of 419 (562098)
05-25-2010 6:11 PM
Reply to: Message 395 by Parasomnium
05-25-2010 5:50 PM


Re: misunderstanding or misrepresentation?
Perhaps next time you could just use some exotic word right at the beginning of your post and be done with it. It would really be appreciated.
Dkroemer is prone to inaniloquency on the subject of thermodynamics and this results in much cachinnation and exsibilation aimed in his direction. But as a fellow aeolist I have some sympathy with his predicament and I think he has a future as a competent adoxographer.
This whole post has been a bit of a witzelsucht.
All genuine words.....

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Straggler
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Message 400 of 419 (562111)
05-25-2010 7:06 PM
Reply to: Message 399 by Dr Adequate
05-25-2010 7:02 PM


Re: misunderstanding or misrepresentation?
OK you win the smartass of the thread award. I tried - and failed.

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