Creation as presented in Genesis chapters 1 and 2

Well both relate the same god creating male and female humans. Both refer to this same god making heaven and Earth. Both refer to this god creating the other animals.Then you get the details of what order things were made in and where exactly these creations were placed initially. Only someone who considers the bible to be inerrant would see this as anything but two contradictory creation myths rather than the convuluted sequential mess you have convinced yourself of.

No, i dont realise that. How do you know the earth always had light shining on it?Does light shine on the surface of all the planets in our solar system? How about Jupiter with its very thick atmosphere, is there light shining down to the surface of that planet?Is there light shining down to the farest depths of the oceans on earth? Wasnt the primitive earth completely covered in oceans before the land was made to appear? Could light have reached those depths? you are assuming that because there was a 'day 1' there must have been a light period before it, yet that is not what Genesis says. Genesis 1:2 says 'the earth was formless and waste and there was darkness upon its surface'so the earth existed in darkness before God caused light to shine on it. Why are you saying it was the opposite? Think about it. If the earth was already turning and there was already light, why would God need to make light? Why did he need to make a 'division' to create to the seasons?
The answer is that the primitive earth (the one he created along with the rest of the universe) did not have all these features and gen chpt 1 is the explanation of the things God put into place in order for it to have those features. Before that it was just a primitive planet covered by water with a thick atmosphere with no light and no life on it. Yet the hebrew definitions you posted show that they could be
RESULTS, PROCEEDINGS or COURSE OF HISTORY
It is not always only with regard to human decendents.Gen 2:4 is actually written in hebrew as follows: so according to whats written, the 'geneological annals' were in regard to earth and heaven...not people. We have geneological annals of mans history and it includes the names of all the decendents of Adam which shows that it is speaking about human decendents....but in this instance, it is speaking about the earth and the description of the creative days ARE the geneological annals. Why would he do that? Whats so wrong with the earth that it needs to be destroyed and a new one created? I dont want to sound argumentative here, but Isaiahs prophecy was written over 150 before Cyrus’ was even born...Isaiah had long died before the propecy was fulfilled, so no, it wasnt addressed to Cyrus and he had no idea that it even existed. He was used by God to free the jews from their captivity, but he certainly didnt know he was fulfilling a prophecy about himself.(Its because of these sorts of prophecies that the jews were able to identify true prophets and this is how they knew if a writing was from God or not.)Edited by Peg, : No reason given.

the people in chpt 1 ARE Adam & Eve.Dont you see that he says that the couple whom God married were the couple made 'in the beginning'they are one and the same. It was on day 6 that God made man in his image....it was on day 7 that God rested according to Gen chpt 2 and if he rested on day 7, and made man on day 6, then it stands to reason that the people he made in chpt 1 on day 6 are in fact Adam and Eve.

Hi Straggler, What relavance does this post have to this thread?If you want to discuss your topic start a thread and I will discuss it with you.God Bless,

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Hi Straggler, There was quite a bit of differences as to how and when this was accomplished. No Genesis 1:1 has God creating the heaven and the earth. The story in Genesis 1:2-27 has creation of water creatures and mankind in the image of God. It also has vegetation from seed that was in the ground. So the only thing created was water creatures and mankind. It does not say how many were created it only said He created them male and female. There could have been a 1000 or more. No only one in Genesis 2:4-25 has the creation of animals as they were formed from the ground.In the account in Genesis 1:2-27 the animals was called forth after their kind no creation involved.Each story has mankind male and female.
Each story has creatures.
Each story has vegetation.That is the only similarities.In both stories they got there differently. But I am approaching these two stories as written in the KJV Bible as the absolute truth.I am affirming there are two different stories, one in chapter 1:2-31, and one in 2:4-25.God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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I am affirming what is said in the KJV Bible.

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Affirming is nothing more than positive assertion and no that isn't what you've been doing. Seriously, you want me to believe this thread is about whether you can quote the KJV correctly? Are those the English words in our KJV translation of the Bible? Yes. Big whoop! What a discussion.You're asserting that there are two different stories. Affirming doesn't change the issue.You can't even acknowledge that I'm also saying they are two different stories.Edited by purpledawn, : No reason given.

Hi Peg, First of all your reading comprehension is getting worse. I never made that statement. But I will since you assumed I had.But first let me clarify what I was saying. It is now dark outside of my house, except for the artificial lighting and the stars in the sky and the moon reflecting sunlight. But on the opposite side of the world the sun is shinning whether it reaches the surface of the earth or not.Is there such a thing as true darkness? SourceI assume no such thing. I agree with this statement.It was evening and the following morning was called the first day. You have agreed the heaven and earth existed at Genesis 1:2When was it created? This verse says it was created in a day.A day according to God equals a light period or a light period and a dark period.Since Genesis 1:1 took place in a day and there was evening which is the end of a light period in Genesis 1:2 which at the end of that dark period with morning was declared the first day.I draw the conclusion from this that there was a period of light, prior to Genesis 1:2. Because I can not explain the heaven and the earth being created in a day as recorded in Genesis 2:4 any other way. Why are you assuming it had always been in darkness?Especially since the heaven and the earth was created in a day.Which is why I say what I say is because the KJV Bible says in Genesis 2:4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens.There had to be a light period for it to be called day, that the creation of the heavens and the earth took place in. But you don't have the generations of the man formed from the dust of the earth in Genesis 2:7 nor do you have the generations of Cain and all his descendants.What you do have is the generations of the man created in the image/likness of God in Genesis 1:27. Thanks for the complement but I don't deserve to be thought of as someone who knows the mind of God. All I have is what is written in the Book He left us and much of it has been messed with by mankind with their personal beliefs. Should I cut out this verse out of my Bible as it says it was addressed to Cyrus regardless of your assertions. The prophecies I have seen come to pass in my lifetime has convinced me that the Bible is the Word of God.God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

Hi PD, I am sorry I have not acknowledged this as of yet. I knew you was agreeing but just never mentioned it.I hereby formally acknowledge that purpledawn agrees that there is two stories in Genesis chapter 1 and 2.God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

it was created along with the rest of the universe at some point in the timeless past.... i cant put a time on it because its unknown. Is it millions of years ago, billions of years ago??? How old is the universe and where is its beginning? At which point in the universes creation did God create planet earth??? I dont think anyone can know this unless God specifically gives us its age and he hasnt done so yet. Perhaps if you took all of the possible definitions the hebrew word Yom into consideration, you'd find that it is actually very easy to work it out.Besides that, you really need to stop reading these accounts as two separate accounts. They are not.
They are the same account but the first is the account of the entire process of transforming the earth into a habitable planet, and the 2nd is a detailed look at mankind only. i accept that the hebrew word Yom also means a 'period of time' or an 'age' or an 'eon' so i dont have a problem with the universe being created in a 'day'
Its not a literal 24 hour day. Its an age....and unspecified length of time. The scripture you quoted shows that the man and woman created in chpt 1 is the same man and woman named Adam and Eve in chpt 2 and their decendents are listed in chpt 5.I'm failing to understand how you come to the conclusion that these people are different people. well you seem to know enough to be able to proclaim that he is going to destroy the earth. If he has revealed such a major event in the bible then surely he has revealed WHY he would do such a thing. He always informed the isrealites as to why something bad was going to happen, so surely he would do so with this event also. you simply shouldnt be reading it as being 'addressed' to Cyrus. Like I said, it was written down over 150 years before Cyrus was even born, so how could it possibly be addressed to him?

It shows that insisting that we look at two pieces of writing, focusing solely on differences in wording and then declaring that they must be completely unrelated because there is not 100% agreement is kinda dum.

Why would you do anything so silly? OK. Let's go with this and see where we end up.ICANT how do you know that the Earth being talked about in each story is the same Earth? After all the humans weren't the same humans were they? And as you have pointed out there were differences in terms of the description of the location and the method of populating each place with animals. So why do you think the "Earth" in each story is the same place?So these other humans could still exist on this other Earth couldn't they?After all no mention of how the other humans died out has ever been made has it? So on what basis do you conclude that they don't still exist on this other Earth?

Hi PegSorry I'm late to this discussion as I've been away and apologise if the following questions have already been raised. You interpret "God made the heavens and the earth" (verse 1) to mean he made the entire universe, and you claim that was done before the 6 days of work to get the earth inhabited.What exactly were the heavens? The sky? No, it couldn’t have been because he didn’t make the sky until the end of the 1st day (verse 8). The stars then? No, it couldn’t have been because he didn’t make the stars until the 3rd day (verse 16).He makes light - to separate day and night - twice. First on day 1 (verses 3-5), and then again on day 3 (verses 14-19) — that second time after he made the photosynthesising plants. Why twice? Does he have a short memory, or did the first light go out? And if he didn’t make the stars until the 3rd day, what was the source of the original light that he made to create days 1 and 2?

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But I am approaching these two stories as written in the KJV Bible as the absolute truth.

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That's fine, but if you are putting a different meaning to the words, the sentence, or story; then you're missing the truth that was given to the audience of the time. Which truth?In Genesis 1:1 the narrator says: In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.If we view the word earth as being the name of our planet and that the word is referring to our planet, then we are not understanding the reality of the time or the spiritual reality of the time.A fictional story can present a spiritual reality even though the event isn't real. If that wasn't possible, then parables would have been useless as teaching tools.Thousands of years later we need to understand what the writer actually meant by heaven and earth.Was it the creation of the Hebrew Nation (people, land, government)?
Was it the creation of the land and sky known to the Hebrew people?
Was it a simple parallel story to the temple creation?
Was it the creation of the planet and space as we know it today?Words are useless if we don't understand how they are being used. Meanings change or are lost over time. Verbal stories were usually updated as they pass from one generation to the next; but once they were put to paper, they were frozen in that time.Attempting to understand what was being said to the audience of the time doesn't negate the spiritual reality of the time. Quite the contrary. We can't upgrade the story and message if we don't really know what the audience understood.If the audience understood that the Genesis 1 creation story was a parallel to the temple or creation of the Hebrew nation or creation of the land and sky for the Hebrews, then upgrading the story to refer to creation of the planet isn't presenting the same meaning to the story.If the audience understood that the Genesis 2 story explained why Hebrew life was the way it was, then upgrading the story to refer to creation of the first humans or a fallen nature is incorrect. We are not getting the spiritual reality the story was presenting. We are merely trying to fit the story to our current spiritual reality. That negates the idea of absolute truth.From what I can tell, absolute truth means it can never be proven wrong or found faulty.Yes, the line says that God created the heaven and the earth; but what did that mean to the original audience?Long long ago, God created ...

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In other words, for every biblical directive that exists, there is another scriptural mandate challenging it.
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Hi Peg, Would that day be a period of light or a period of darkness? If it was an uninterrupted unspecified period of light that could be considered a day.If darkness came that would be evening and that is exactly what we find in Genesis 1:2. What scriptures show they are the same people? God said Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so. This before mankind was created male and female.Then God created mankind in His image/likeness male and female. verse 27In verse 28 God blessed them.
He told them to be fruitful and multiply.
He told them to replenish the earth and subdue it.
He told them to have dominion of creatures on earth.In verse 28 God told them they could eat the fruit of every tree.
There is no command not to eat from a certain tree. This man in verse 7 was formed from the dust of the ground before any plants or creatures.No where does it say he was created in the image/likeness of God.Then God planted a garden.
Then God made to grow out of the ground vegetation. God placed this man in the garden He had planted to dress it.
He told this man he could eat the fruit of all trees except the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.Then God formed every beast of the field and every fowl of the air out of the ground.This man named the animals.After all this God took a rib from the man and made a woman who became flesh of his flesh and bone of his bone, his wife. It is simple to me that they can not be the same people. The details do not match.A man that is formed from the dust of the ground before any vegetation, creatures, and woman can not be the same man who was created in the image/likeness0 of God after all vegetation and all creatures. at the same time as the woman.It amazes me what information you used to decided they are the same man.The only thread you have to hang on is that they are both called Adam.But the fact is that neither of the men was named Adam.adam is the transliteration of the Hebrew word which means man, or mankind. Geeze I am not that old and my name is not Peter/John. IOW I did not write the book of 1 Peter nor did I write Revelation.Peter is the one who declared it was going to melt with fervent heat.John is the one who said it was going to pass away and there would be a new heaven and a new earth which would have no sea and would not need the light of the sun or the moon.So why accuse me of declaring these things when all I was doing is repeating what peter and John said. Well the first verse declares it was addressed to Cyrus. I don't care if it was 2000 years before Cyrus was born.John 3:16, 17, 18 was addressed to me 'whosoever' almost 2000 years ago. Does it not apply to me?I would like to end this post with a question I have asked before.If there was no light before Genesis 1:3 how did all the vegetation grow that produced all the peat that produced all the oil, natural gas and coal we are finding and using today?God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

Hi Straggler, Well if you had been talking about one book that had one story on one page and another story on the next page you might have a point.But since you were talking about two different books I don't see the connection.God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."