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Author Topic:   10 Books To Save Humanity!!
Blue Jay
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Message 6 of 100 (562336)
05-27-2010 10:00 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Straggler
05-27-2010 7:37 PM


  1. The Watchtower (any old volume will do)
  2. Bad as I Wanna Be by Dennis Rodman
  3. If I Did It by O.J. Simpson
  4. Going Rogue: Am American Life by Sarah Palin
  5. Origin of Species by Charles Darwin, with a special introduction by Ray Comfort
  6. Analects of Confucius
  7. Of Pandas and People: The Central Question of Biological Origins by Davis and Kenyon
  8. Dating for Dummies, 2nd edition, by Joy Browne
  9. Godless: The Church of Liberalism by Ann Coulter
    and, finally...
  10. Fahrenheit 451 by Ray Bradbury (to give them a hint as to what they should do with the other nine)
Everything else is expendable.

-Bluejay (a.k.a. Mantis, Thylacosmilus)
Darwin loves you.

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Blue Jay
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Message 24 of 100 (562383)
05-28-2010 10:34 AM
Reply to: Message 15 by Straggler
05-28-2010 7:21 AM


Re: Nothing Worth Saving
Hi, Straggler.
Straggler writes:
Have we achieved nothing as a species? Nothing worth saving and passing on to future generations?
I'm only 27: I still haven't matured enough to learn when to take things seriously. That, and I have ADD, so reading long books is too hard for me.
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Straggler writes:
I would have thought the problem would be the tiny limit of 10 books. Instead it appears that those who have replied consider even that too much to bother with.
I basically agree with what Dr Adequate said: there would be sentimental and cultural value in saving certain pieces of cultural literature (novels, plays, etc.), but this surely has to take a back seat to scientific and academic literature, because someone from the colony can write new works of cultural literature that the colonists can become sentimental about.
So, whatever cultural contributions a work of fiction might offer can be completely compensated for by somebody else writing another work of fiction. This can feasibly happen within months of the colony’s foundation.
Not so for science: if our society was without knowledge of evolution, physics, mathematics, etc., it would take multiple generations, and millions of publications, to bring us back to our current state of knowledge and applicability of that knowledge. Even having well-trained professionals in these fields won’t be good enough, because without, e.g., documented evidence and data about the various scientific theories and fields of study, you would be requiring the colony to accept these theories, not because of the evidence for them, but solely on the authority of those few professionals.
Like Dr Adequate, I say that all 10 books must be of a scientific, technological or academic nature, rather than of a cultural or sentimental nature, because science is less easily replaced than culture.

-Bluejay (a.k.a. Mantis, Thylacosmilus)
Darwin loves you.

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Blue Jay
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Message 33 of 100 (562423)
05-28-2010 4:54 PM
Reply to: Message 32 by Straggler
05-28-2010 3:49 PM


Re: My Own (Initial) List
Hi, Straggler.
Straggler writes:
Is it really only me that would choose something other than science text books or glorified dictionaries as the book based baton of human enlightenment?
Apparently so.
My problem with literature for this scenario is that it is so strongly tied to specific cultures.
Why should Shakespeare's works be chosen, and not, for example, some Swedish literature, like August Strindberg?
The shear diversity of "artsy fartsy" stuff across cultures is a good indication of how cosmically unimportant it is to have any specific piece of work from any of the many literary traditions and cultures. My vote would be to let the colony develop its own cultural and literary traditions, and preserve things that are more practical (for instance, the operator's manual for the spaceship they're riding).
But, if you must have cultural and artistic stuff, then, rather than focusing on specific works that are indispensible, perhaps you should take a single-volume anthology from each of the ten most important literary traditions or cultures on the planet. That will give everybody at least a good sampling of the diversity of artsy-fartsiiness that existed on Earth, and make for a broader cultural experience for everybody.
For example, we could bring a high school literature textbook, that may have a Shakespeare play, some sonnets by Keats, The Raven by Poe, and a number of other short stories, poems and novellas. Then, you could include, for instance, a Chinese anthology, that may have some jueju-style poems from the Tang Dynasty, a few other poems from Chu-Ci, some excerpts from the Analects, etc.

-Bluejay (a.k.a. Mantis, Thylacosmilus)
Darwin loves you.

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Blue Jay
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Message 42 of 100 (562451)
05-28-2010 10:59 PM
Reply to: Message 40 by ZenMonkey
05-28-2010 9:20 PM


Re: My attempt at a list.
Hi, ZenMonkey.
ZenMonkey writes:
If you lost Origin of Species, you'd still have the ToE, even if you had to wait for someone to rediscover it.
How would we ever rediscover the Theory of Evolution if we're all moving to a planet without a fossil record (without one that's tied to us, anyway), and presumably with total available biodiversity limited to whatever livestock we brought with us?

-Bluejay (a.k.a. Mantis, Thylacosmilus)
Darwin loves you.

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