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hooah212002
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Message 113 of 453 (520738)
08-23-2009 4:12 PM
Reply to: Message 110 by iano
08-23-2009 3:47 PM


Re: Reality: displacement is what makes boats float or not
We've no way of knowing what the sea conditions were in the locality of the ark and we shouldn't necessarily suppose 'stormy'.
You're right. It was probably a gentle mist that flooded the earth. The opening of the heavens is just a gentle mist.
Are we also to suppose he floated the animals around the world in his effort to distribute them?

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Message 114 of 453 (520739)
08-23-2009 4:16 PM
Reply to: Message 108 by iano
08-23-2009 11:35 AM


Re: Reality: displacement is what makes boats float or not
If it's a good enough idea for fishermans nets then it's good enough for Noahs ark.
So, now fishing nets float on the surface?

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Message 176 of 453 (521036)
08-25-2009 1:56 PM
Reply to: Message 175 by Perdition
08-25-2009 1:40 PM


Re: An Observation
If Noah learned some special way of building boats, and his family was all that was left after the Flud, why didn't this knowledge survive? Did they decide it was a great method, but no one would ever need to sail on a big body of water again, so it wasn't a necessary thing to know?
No, no, no...you have it all wrong. They (Noah's family) figured if someone else were to need the knowlege of how to build this type of watercraft, god would provide them with said knowledge, just like he told Noah, negating Noah's need to spread the knowledge. He figured anyone following after him would justhave to figure it out on his own.
In the IT field, it's called "job security". Noah was the only one sacred enough to be privy to this newfangled way of shipbuilding.
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hooah212002
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Message 192 of 453 (521160)
08-26-2009 9:55 AM
Reply to: Message 191 by ICANT
08-26-2009 9:42 AM


Re: What archeology shows for boat building technology
I am affraid if I chase that rabbit the boss will get upset.
Is that because you know the two will not cohabitate? Is it because you know once you put all your alleged ideals on the table, you might just realize they don't quite line up as they appear to (to you) individually?

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Message 198 of 453 (521182)
08-26-2009 11:22 AM
Reply to: Message 196 by greentwiga
08-26-2009 11:02 AM


Re: The Boat that floats
Maybe you should research a little my wayward brother.
You will see here that the Ra and the Ra II were but a mere ~40ft long. The longest reed boat known of the time, the MATA RANGI I, was 131ft long, which could barely be considered seaworthy. So, while it might seem like a "hell yeah, I got em now" moment, you can't just, at a minimum, quadruple the size of those boats and assume it will work.
Nice try though.
Here is an excerpt about the Mata Rangi:
The 11-man crew included one Hawaiian, two Tahitians, two Maori, 2 Aymaras, three Rapanui, and one Spaniard Kitn Muoz, the leader of the project. Muoz explained: "With this voyage I would like to demonstrate that many of the parallels that exist between different cultures and people, that today are attributed to artibrary causes, had their reason in the voyages that had crossed seas and oceans in remote times and before the European expeditions of the 15th century." He said, "In the first phase, the ship will travel through all the Polynesian islands such as Mangareva, Tahiti, Bora Bora, Tonga and Fiji reaching finally Australia. There the boat will be taken out of the water and dismantled to permit the reeds to dry, an operation that will take about two months." On May 6th, the voyage began. The boat was scheduled to go first to Pitcairn, with the ultimate stop at Tahiti. On the 8th of May, two stowaways were found: Sergio Tuki Hito and Ricardo Hito had hidden themselves in the hold of the boat. These two brought the number of persons on the boat up to 13, and some noted that it was an unlucky number. By the 12th of May, radio contact was lost. Four days later word came that Mata Rangi was 140 miles northwest of Rapa Nui. They had expected to have traveled 600 miles by that time, and thus declared that they would not stop at Pitcairn but head directly for Mangareva. On the 21st of May, it was reported that, according to a satellite telephone communication received from somewhere in French Polynesia, the boat was still on course, but with a broken mast. The Chilean training ship Esmeralda was sent to offer help. They found her lying somewhat submerged and with water coming in the hole where the mast had been. Then on May 24th the news came that Mata Rangi had split in two and the crew had taken to lifeboats tied to the sinking boat. They were rescued by the Stray Dog, a sailboat that had been visiting Rapa Nui but which left to join in the rescue effort. Mata Rangi was only 185 northwest of Rapa Nui; the boat had been in the water for a mere 20 days.
Note the necessity to stop mid-voyage to allow the reeds to dry out.
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Message 208 of 453 (521379)
08-27-2009 9:41 AM
Reply to: Message 204 by Peg
08-27-2009 7:16 AM


Re: An Observation
Apparently, he didn't. He couldn't have. As has been shown here, in this thread. However, you will keep right on believing that he did. That's fine with me, just keep it away from my kids' school.

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Message 209 of 453 (521382)
08-27-2009 9:45 AM
Reply to: Message 199 by greentwiga
08-27-2009 1:19 AM


Re: The Boat that floats
Do you not see here that all these boats, save for the one that :gasp: broke up and sunk mid voyage, were a good deal less than 100 feet? Each with a crew of 8-11. This in no way compares to a giant monstrosity of a floating box, housing thousands of animals, many of which are HOOVED, feed, AND the 8 man crew.
If you still think it feasible that the Ark be built of reed OR a balsa type material, you are further gone than I'd suspected.
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Message 212 of 453 (521474)
08-27-2009 3:02 PM
Reply to: Message 210 by slevesque
08-27-2009 2:32 PM


creation crap site writes:
This work was fully supported by the Korea Association of Creation Research
How cute, the only people support this research is :GASP!: yet, another creation group.
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Edited by hooah212002, : The bloody Korea Association of Creation Research doesn't even exist!
Edited by hooah212002, : Guess they do exist

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hooah212002
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Message 217 of 453 (521515)
08-27-2009 4:41 PM
Reply to: Message 211 by Perdition
08-27-2009 2:54 PM


At that time, trees might have grown taller than 10 metres, and their diameters may have been larger than 1 metre as a result of the presumed more favourable natural environment.
Pure speculation. One cannot write a paper in which "facts" are based off of untested speculation. Also, this document says nothing about the ability to hold the hundred of thousands of animals.

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Message 230 of 453 (522222)
09-01-2009 9:27 PM
Reply to: Message 229 by greentwiga
09-01-2009 8:45 PM


Re: reed boats don't get waterlogged
I have already provided sufficient evidence as to why they do not, and have not worked for vessels exceeding even 100 ft.

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Message 234 of 453 (522274)
09-02-2009 9:49 AM
Reply to: Message 233 by greentwiga
09-02-2009 9:41 AM


Re: reed boats don't get waterlogged
Those vessels that did last for longer than a few months: how big were they? What was the cargo?
Grasp for anything you can try and latch onto.

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Message 272 of 453 (562434)
05-28-2010 6:48 PM


Could have sworn I debunked this "reed ark" already....
See Message 198. You {greentwiga} haven't successfuly refuted my response.

"A still more glorious dawn awaits
Not a sunrise, but a galaxy rise
A morning filled with 400 billion suns
The rising of the milky way"
-Carl Sagan

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Message 279 of 453 (562452)
05-28-2010 11:10 PM
Reply to: Message 277 by greentwiga
05-28-2010 10:49 PM


Re: Could have sworn I debunked this "reed ark" already....
Source please? Your assertion means fuck all to me.

"A still more glorious dawn awaits
Not a sunrise, but a galaxy rise
A morning filled with 400 billion suns
The rising of the milky way"
-Carl Sagan

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Message 280 of 453 (562453)
05-28-2010 11:13 PM
Reply to: Message 278 by greentwiga
05-28-2010 10:52 PM


Re: anchor stones away ...
Google search for Iraqi marsh arab reed mosques.
How's about YOU do the google search and back up YOUR claims. Everyone else here has done so to debunk your hairbrained ass idea, you could at least put in a smidgeon of the same effort.

"A still more glorious dawn awaits
Not a sunrise, but a galaxy rise
A morning filled with 400 billion suns
The rising of the milky way"
-Carl Sagan

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hooah212002
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Message 283 of 453 (562457)
05-28-2010 11:40 PM
Reply to: Message 282 by greentwiga
05-28-2010 11:27 PM


Re: anchor stones away ...
You're NOT new here, so I don't feel as though I should have to tell you how shit works. Is the site you spammed me where you got your information from? I shouldn't have to search through it to find the info you provided. You need to qualify your link with the data you feel is pertinent to your argument.
Please, I have responded reasonably to you.
Bullshit you have.
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"A still more glorious dawn awaits
Not a sunrise, but a galaxy rise
A morning filled with 400 billion suns
The rising of the milky way"
-Carl Sagan

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