Endogenous Retroviral Insertions Demonstrate Evolution Beyond a Reasonable Doubt

quote:

---

if you want to read an abbreviated version of the interview the the man himself go here:
Egyptian Jurists to Sue 'The Jews' for Compensation for 'Trillions' of Tons of Gold Allegedly Stolen During Exodus from Egypt | MEMRI
its a short version of the complete interview, that took place on the 9th of August, over a month ago, the link to the complete interview is there under flagnote number one, all you need is a Arabic translator, there he lays out all his proof and documentation, not just the torah, and he states clearly that at that time of the interview, Aug 9th, that the lawsuit was already filed.

---

What does it say about whether or where the lawsuit has been filed ?Just to be helpful it says this:
"The value must be calculated precisely in accordance with the information collected, and afterward a lawsuit must be filed against all the Jews of the world, and against the Jews of Israel in particular, so they will repay the Egyptians the debt that appears in the Torah."Who does it say is backing the lawsuite ? The Egyptian government or "a group of Egyptian expatriates in Switzerland" ?And here is a simple check. Does clicking the link take you to a copy of the original article as Jester says ? Try it !And Jester, I hadn't read the docket of the International Court - and neither have you. But I have now !Go to Cour internationale de Justice | International Court of Justice Is the case there as Jester insists it is ? See for yourself !

quote:

---

And Mannuthus,
I have tried to answer some of you questions, but unfortunatelty I have tried to stick to the topic I presented at the start of this. I dont like playing these little games of diversion to get away from issues.

---

You mean like your evasion of supporting your assertions..that type of little game? I am not so fond of your tactic either.

quote:

---

You nor I have a greater or a less understanding of science , we just have a different one, it is just you assert yours is the right one while I assert that how you interprete the evidence is based on numerous things besides the evidence.

---

Nope, you have no interpretation of the evidence..you merely dismiss it or are you going to explain how your interpretation of endogenous retroviral insertions supports creation ex nihilo? You have not presented a competing interpretation...merely said no, all scientists are wrong god did it and jesters opinion is correct regardless of whether or not he can support his assertions.

quote:

---

I am not sure what your scientific background is, or where you get you research material from, or what your field experience is, but I can guarentee it is vastly different than mine.You assert that because I did not reach the same conclusions you did, I did not do the research.

---

I have a Ph.D. in human genetics and have worked for 7 years on the evolution of proboscideans, cervids, edentates, and guess what endogenous retroviruses....I get my research material from that I generate myself in the lab by experimentation and the reports of other scientists and their results as distributed by databases such as GenBank and published reports in peer reviewed academic journals....but this is not the reason I assert that you are wrong...I assert it because you have not demonstrated in a single post that you 1. understand anything about science or the scientific method 2. understand anything about the theory of evolution 3. understand anything about the studies that WinAce and myself presented and or linked to.

quote:

---

Analogies are made to you to emphasis points and you distort them to make fun and critize.

---

Analogies are not evidence...if you present them as such I will make fun of them...and I have not needed to distort what you say thus far to make it look incorrect.

quote:

---

You attack the bible on simple translation errors " cud chewing rabbits" without finding out what the original text said.

---

Then by all means...what did the original bible say about cud chewing rabbits..and while you are at it..how many legs does the bible say insects have?...

quote:

---

Yes my opinions are great for me, I explained what they were based on, post 12 , 14 20 21 and 30, and I tried to explain to you before, the questions intrigued me so much I have deliberately made my life fit into a style that I can travel and work in the locations I can do field research and see the varied ways throughout the world that this evidence is found and presented.

---

..Please then show how your extensive research has one supported the
1. testable hypothesis that you are about to present maybe?
2. How that hypothesis is falsfiable
3. what this evidence is...

quote:

---

yet you disregard them to make a snide comment that "then what you base your claims on i.e. the bible (and its supposed veracity)" (post 50) which is nowhere even close to what I stated.

---

So you are not saying the bible is correct?

quote:

---

You say that winace is the only one that said the original topic was proof, and on that point you are correct, however you avoid that that distasteful duty that all Evolutionist seen to hate, you avoid discrediting one of your own by saying that it is in error.

---

If I pointed out that WinAce is the only one who claimed that ERVs prove evolution and that I and the others say that science does not prove anything...how is it that we have not contradicted WinAce? All of us have contradicted WinAce...it is not my fault that you cannot understand that and wish to harp on some irrelevant point.

quote:

---

You have never directly answered the question, you have danced around it more than a politician on a tax raise, but never once directly addressed it.

---

WinAce was wrong in claiming that science can prove evolution, gravity, or anything else he wishes to claim science proves..happy now?...however, you have been wrong in every single one of your posts about what you have said..will you now admit you know nothing about the scientific method, evolution, and the difference between interpretation and evidence? etc....I doubt it

Just for clarity's sake...Can someone quote me where WinAce said ERV's proved evolution? Jester?Thanks.

Jester, I replied to your post on this thread: Jester

Strictly speaking he didn't.If you follow the link that Jester provided in the first post you will see that1: The explanation of the argument is there in the FIRST post of the thread on the totse board2: Jester's sole involvement in that argument was to try to direct discussion here - where he claims it will be refuted (presumably on the assumption that there might be someone here who could do it for him). Despite claiming to have researched the issue he shows no understanding of it at all and certainly has no argument on either board.

Hey, you are right...even in the original link that jester posted..WinAce used the word "demonstrates" and not "proves"....doh!

That's what I thought; but I wasn't ruling out that I'd missed something (though I figured that unlikely, knowing WinAce).

This certainly demonstrates a difference in perspective, between Admin and myself.I would have closed the topic. In no way would I have moved it to the "Free For All".Adminnemooseus

I don't see why the thread was shut down at all in the Evolution forum. I would like to see jester or any creationist explain the data in WinAce's original post and in the references I cited using a testable and falifiable hypothesis of creation ex nihilo. They have access to the same data in this case that scientists have....the sequences are in GenBank there for them to study.

Wasn't it shut down because it was pretty much terminally off topic. Apart from the original post and some of your posts the whole thing got pretty much de-railed into biblical inerrancy and the nature of proof.

A side topic on biblical inerrancy did develope but jester him(or her) self kept on topic by claiming that we were all ducking the question of whether evolution had been proven which ties back to the WinAce link. I don't think the thread had strayed as badly as some of the others for example the Elitism and Nazism thread has been off topic for longer.

M, I agree with you.In general, many topics are having serious "off-topic" problems. As I see it, posting volumes are such that control is very difficult.I'm going to close this one down.If anyone thinks a fresh start is needed, I suggest starting the "Evolution" topic "Endogenous Retroviral Insertions Demonstrate Evolution Beyond a Reasonable Doubt (take 2)" topic. Links back to both variations of this topic can be supplied.Adminnemooseus------------------
Comments on moderation procedures? - Go to
Change in Moderation?
or
too fast closure of threads