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Author Topic:   Intelligent Design == Human Design?
cavediver
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Message 120 of 196 (562597)
05-31-2010 10:38 AM
Reply to: Message 116 by tesla
05-31-2010 9:48 AM


Re: topic
Then lets take the evident fact that we exist inside of an energy that evolved from a singularity and had nothing to interact with but itself to evolve.
Energy does not "evolve". We do not exist "inside" of energy. Energy does not "interact".
a constant singular source cannot evolve without intelligence.
What is "a constant singular source"? The singularity of Big Bang comsology is not constant - it exists at a single point in space-time.
It tells us: no area is absent of energy.
Why? if an area is absent of energy it does not exist. it will never be measured, there is nothing there. No area is absent of the forces of light, gravity, or radiation and other forces. The area in space the vacuum considered the least point of energy : it has been said that the energy in one cubic meter of space could boil the earths oceans.
This is just a mixture of trivial facts and bizarre claims - is it supposed to demonstrate something?
if Our science says Gods there, why ignore it? call it the "God factor" call it whatever you want, but don't ignore it.
We certainly won't ignore it. But there is NOTHING in science that says a "god" is there, whatever this "god" is.

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cavediver
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Message 131 of 196 (562644)
05-31-2010 4:50 PM
Reply to: Message 121 by tesla
05-31-2010 11:20 AM


Re: topic
surly you jest.
Not at all, and don't call me surly
we must then define energy.
Yes! That is a very good idea. If you did that, you would not make such silly statements about energy. You are not alone - most popular science makes exactly the same mistakes.
energy is a generic term applied to all that does exist.
Yes, incorrectly applied by those that don't understand what they are writing. This is NOT the definition of energy.
matter is energy in a conservative state.
Nope, as I continually stress at this site. Matter is a field. Energy is an attribute of the field.
Oops, late for something - got to go...

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cavediver
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Message 151 of 196 (563160)
06-03-2010 3:47 PM
Reply to: Message 141 by tesla
06-02-2010 7:24 PM


Re: topic
In the singularity, there is only a single energy without time. and apparently without any space as we know it.
And how is this any different to every other point in space-time? The singularity is much less special than you appreciate...

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cavediver
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Message 154 of 196 (563237)
06-04-2010 3:52 AM
Reply to: Message 153 by tesla
06-03-2010 10:30 PM


Re: topic
Thats your opinion.
No, that's based on me being an expert on singularities The trouble is that you have yet to realise just how little you know. A good degree from a good university is the usual cure for that. If you come out of your degree thinking that you actually know something about the subject you have gone to study, you and your university failed. Your post-grad work is where you actually start learning something. And your post-doc time is where you perhaps start knowing a little.
I believe its much more important than anyone has ever realized and you just can't figure it out.
And this kind of attitude will always prevent you from learning anything - you will just be one more crank. Cranks always think they can skip the 100 years of study that has already gone into a subject. Fact is, they're just lazy arseholes who haven't got 1/100th of the grey matter necessary to cut it. Is that you, Tesla? Or can you be different from all the rest?
To conclude - you will never understand the nature of space-time until you can appreciate why the singularity is just like every other point is space-time. Once you understand that, then you can go on to see how it is different...

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cavediver
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Message 156 of 196 (563261)
06-04-2010 7:26 AM
Reply to: Message 152 by tesla
06-03-2010 10:27 PM


Re: Laymen
Oh dear, I hadn't read this earlier when I made my previous post:
Is it not? space is a vacuum. it has to have an edge. have you ever seen a vacuum without containment?
The universe is expanding, is this not true? can it expand with no area for the expansion?
its simple. there is an edge our finite universe is expanding inside an "apparently infinite" area.
Sadly, you know far less than I anticipated. You would have been laughed out of town 80 years ago, never mind in 2010.
"It has to have an edge" belongs up there with believing we'd suffocate if we travelled over 25mph on the railroad...

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cavediver
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Message 160 of 196 (563274)
06-04-2010 8:40 AM
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06-04-2010 8:24 AM


Re: Laymen
I thought you were smart. but from reading your posts i now wonder.
You'll never know, 'cos I quickly loose interest in trying to educate those who have no desire to learn...

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cavediver
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Message 164 of 196 (563282)
06-04-2010 9:02 AM
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06-04-2010 8:53 AM


Re: Laymen
then why not start looking for those links?
Hey, what a great idea. Perhaps I should devote a large fraction of my life to cosmological research, and start writing papers... oh, wait.
Moron

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cavediver
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Message 166 of 196 (563285)
06-04-2010 9:12 AM
Reply to: Message 163 by tesla
06-04-2010 8:58 AM


Re: topic
Now your full of it. there are no experts on singularities.
Again, you know so little of what you are talking that you cannot make sense. It depnds what you mean by "singularity". The singularity of the Big Bang cosmological solutions of General Relativity exists as an artifact of the model, and we know a great deal about it. In reality, there is almost certainly no singularity. What is not understood is what replaces the singularity. To even begin to understand the issue you need to understand what is being replaced.
Jus to be clear, this is aimed at the wider audience for their understanding and not at you, tesla. For you are a moron

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