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hooah212002
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Message 9 of 139 (563676)
06-06-2010 12:33 PM
Reply to: Message 8 by Modulous
06-06-2010 11:57 AM


Re: Sin and death
Adam invited sin into all men. This means that men became sinners because of Adam: not because of Yahweh. Yahweh made no such decree. He told Adam not to sin. Adam sinned. Consequences followed. Yahweh tried to figure out a way to relate to people who had found themselves in a state of sin.
But isn't that kind of like saying that YHWH didn't make the rules, just because it isn't explicitly in the bible? Why is it assumed that just because A&E sinned, that we are all wrought with sin? God created the situation, yes?
Genesis 15-17 writes:
15And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.
16Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.
17And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life;
That tells me that god did institute the inherit sin, even though it was due to A&E eating some fruit.
Yahweh did indeed punish the descendants of Adam, but not with sin. That was Adam's doing alone.
What that amounts to, in my opinion, could equate to this: you place a bet with a bookie. You can't pay the bookie. The bookie now tortures your kids when you die even though they had nothing to do with it.
Edited by hooah212002, : No reason given.

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The rising of the milky way"
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hooah212002
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Message 15 of 139 (563751)
06-06-2010 6:16 PM
Reply to: Message 14 by Modulous
06-06-2010 5:56 PM


Re: Sin and death
Yahweh didn't invite sin in the world. He is/was without sin, Adam invited sin into the world.
But, like Larni is saying, it could have ended with A&E. Or did A&E create sin itself? Was it their idea that it be passed down to every generation thereafter?
It is feasible that punishing offspring serves as a better deterrent. In a world with no CSI, no fingerprints, no CCTV, no mobile phones in every citizens hands...deterrent might be the only way to keep tens of thousands of people from collapsing into internecine bickering and civil war.
We can see that as a basis for society's initial necessity for a god, but is it a necessity for YHWH?

"A still more glorious dawn awaits
Not a sunrise, but a galaxy rise
A morning filled with 400 billion suns
The rising of the milky way"
-Carl Sagan

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hooah212002
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Message 18 of 139 (563773)
06-06-2010 7:33 PM
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06-06-2010 6:38 PM


Re: Sin and death
I gotcha. This is a bit over my head as far as bible study is concerned. Thanks for the explanation. I may interject at a later point, though.

"A still more glorious dawn awaits
Not a sunrise, but a galaxy rise
A morning filled with 400 billion suns
The rising of the milky way"
-Carl Sagan

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