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jaywill Member (Idle past 1970 days) Posts: 4519 From: VA USA Joined: |
It is your claim that 'this generation' is define by moral and spiritual condition Not in all instances did I say length of life was not the implication. Matthew early speaks of 14 generations in three sections in chapter one. Those would be chronological generations for the most part. I think the phrase "some of those standing here who shall by no means taste death until they see ..." is the phrase Jesus used when He emphatically meant His audience at that moment. And this is the phrase He used in Matthew 16:28. My focus right now will be with Heretic. Edited by jaywill, : No reason given. Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.
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jaywill Member (Idle past 1970 days) Posts: 4519 From: VA USA Joined: |
Heretic,
When the Apostle Paul was writing his epistles was "this generation" (Matthew 24:34) still there or had some chonological boundary been crossed into a new generation ? This is addressed to Heretic only. Edited by jaywill, : No reason given. Edited by jaywill, : No reason given. Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.
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jaywill Member (Idle past 1970 days) Posts: 4519 From: VA USA Joined: |
Heretic,
Perhaps you need some clarification. Let us assume that if Jesus used a phrase "My generation" He would mean a typical human life span of around 50 or 60 years. I put aside the supernatural resurrection for the time being. That is a big concession for the Christian. But let us for the moment reason without the resurrection of Christ. We know that Paul was a young man when he first appears in the book of Acts and that his ministry as a full fledged apostle is matured in say A.D. 59 when he was writing his first letter to the Corinthian church. When the Apostle Paul was writing his epistles was "this generation" (Matthew 24:34) still Jesus' typical generation or a new generation ? This is addressed to Heretic only. Edited by jaywill, : No reason given. Edited by jaywill, : No reason given. Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.
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hERICtic Member (Idle past 4546 days) Posts: 371 Joined: |
Jay writes: My focus right now will be with Eric Heretic. Jay, if you notice, even though I've told you before, its hERICtic. See the amusing play on words??? Little "he", then my name, then "tic". Imagine throwing heretic and Eric in a blender! This is that pesky context thing you keep ignoring. What Paul wrote is immaterial to what Matthew wrote. They are two seperate authors. This is what we (yeah those who you are debating) keep stating about jumping around, grabbing scripture which has nothing to do with our debate. We are discussing Matthew 24. I'll ask again. What are the purpose of the signs? Thanks. Edited by hERICtic, : No reason given.
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jaywill Member (Idle past 1970 days) Posts: 4519 From: VA USA Joined: |
hERICtic,
The question I ask you is absolutely germane to the disussion. Please look it over again, and propose a reply. You cannot keep saying evidence which does not support your view is "out of context" "jumping ariound" " not the point ". Was "this generation" in Matthew 24:34 still ongoing in A.D. 59 or was that a new generation ?
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hERICtic Member (Idle past 4546 days) Posts: 371 Joined: |
Obviously the generation Jesus refers to is 59AD.
Now, I answered your question...can you please answer mine. What are the signs for?
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jaywill Member (Idle past 1970 days) Posts: 4519 From: VA USA Joined: |
Obviously the generation Jesus refers to is 59AD. Now, I answered your question...can you please answer mine. What are the signs for? You are saying that when Paul was a letter writing apostle "this generation" had not yet been followed by a new generation. Thankyou. Was that hard ? Edited by jaywill, : No reason given. Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.
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hERICtic Member (Idle past 4546 days) Posts: 371 Joined: |
For the fourth time....
What are the signs for? Jesus is not Paul. We are discussing the words of Jesus. Again, you do this often. You're bouncing around. We know through the writings of Paul (which I and others have shown) that he also believed the end times were near. Which apparently multiple authors believed. NONE wrote anything about the end times being in the far off future. Not one. Every word used denotes a quick time frame. Can you please explain where you are trying to go with this? I'll ask for a fifth time....what are the signs for? Apparently you are avoiding this question. Edited by hERICtic, : No reason given. Edited by hERICtic, : No reason given.
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jaywill Member (Idle past 1970 days) Posts: 4519 From: VA USA Joined: |
hERICtic,
In 59 AD Jesus, had He lived a non supernatural resurrection life would have been about 60 years old. 59 - 33 = 26 years latter. Roughly 33 + 26 = 59. Do you agree ? You say that that still was "this generation" of Matthew 24:34? Since generation is a little undefinite let me ask you: Was it MORE Jesus' generation ? Or was it MORE Paul's generation ? Edited by jaywill, : No reason given. Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.
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hERICtic Member (Idle past 4546 days) Posts: 371 Joined: |
I will now ask you for the sixth time....
What are the signs for?
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jaywill Member (Idle past 1970 days) Posts: 4519 From: VA USA Joined: |
What are signs for?
What are signs for? What are signs for? I think of the signs as indicators, pointers. Now answer my last question please. Should we say that 59 AD was more Jesus' generation or more Paul's generation ?
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jaywill Member (Idle past 1970 days) Posts: 4519 From: VA USA Joined: |
Erased. Never mind.
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hERICtic Member (Idle past 4546 days) Posts: 371 Joined: |
Jay writes: What are signs for?What are signs for? What are signs for? I think of the signs as indicators, pointers. For what?
Jay writes: Now answer my last question please. Should we say that 59 AD was more Jesus' generation or more Paul's generation ? Equal. They lived during the same generation.
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jaywill Member (Idle past 1970 days) Posts: 4519 From: VA USA Joined: |
Can you please explain where you are trying to go with this? Roughly what year, give or take a few, represents the END of "this generation" in Matthew 24:34 ?
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Huntard Member (Idle past 2324 days) Posts: 2870 From: Limburg, The Netherlands Joined: |
hERICtic writes:
Would there not also be people that are not part of Jesus' generation, but are part of Paul's? Equal. They lived during the same generation. Of course drawing a line and saying: "This is where the new generation begins", is kinda impossible, there are shades of gray. Regardless, it's safe to say that everybody from Jesus' generation is now dead, yet he has not yet returned.
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