Fossils, strata and the flood

I read a bio of Hutton too. Interesting how 18th century thinking simply became the standard. He looked at a formation and said it had to be old. And geo science hasn't progressed any since then.Faith, here, HERE!!! Geology is the most backward of all sciences. These guys cannot shake the early dogmatic teaching from Great Britain regarding the made up geological (illogical) time column. Thus geology is steeped in tradition rather than progressing, and as a result they simply regurgitate the same old thing to their students OK class of gullible non-thinking people, repeat after meWhat is even more pathetic than this so called science of geology, which has its roots in evolution, is that the general public gets to see and hear their non-scientific theories which end up being nothing but pseudo-science, yet its slapped down as fact. They must steer away from physics, mechanics and dynamics because true science turns their pathetic ideas into mere mush. Moreover, they must steer away from massive volcanism as volcanoes tend to obliterate everything in their path. stopping ‘evolution’ in its tracks. The Great Flood was a mega massive volcanic event, not just a flood.Your points on stratification are well put, yet they fall on deaf ears simply because in order for evolution to be true, these layers MUST have had to been deposited slowly over milliards of years. This logic is base and non-scientific. One can open their eyes and look and the Grand Canyon and clearly see mass destruction. Of course the canyon is a batholith as it was uplifted by magma extrusion (now dried crystoline basement rock). The upper layers were definitely deposited aqueously and lithified **en masse** prior to the uplift. Real science, but pseudo-science has to see it as slooow deposition and erosion, or when we read into it, one massive mega destruction followed by peace and tranquility, then another mega massive destruction, followed by lilies and porky-pines, and then another destructive flood, etc. etc. This is their logic. Grrreat isn’t it? And these jacked-up goofy ideas (along with the pathetic plate tectonic 5cm/yr bash ‘n crash theory) make it inside the halls of what is called science.Geology literally falls flat on its face in explaining HOW layers of rocks get piled upit fails big-time. The forces required to do so are tremendous (primarily volcanic). And when these mega forces were in action, nothing was wiggling around for sure. In fact, things that were wiggling around turned into fossils due to being mixed inside the hot, plastic rocks as they were being deposited. Again, real science, yet the evolutionists must dance around this fact, big time.Keep up the good work Faith the whimsical theories of evolution are in their last saga.

Hi roxrpooh, your comments are << bracketed >><< You surely are the most delusional poster we've ever had on this forum. >>Oh I’m ‘delusional’hmm, lets see. And you guys think everything is milliards of years old and man came from well I suppose if I say monkeys then it may offend some people, so I will refrain.... It’s quite interesting that not a single dingle one of you can truly refute my observations. You simply say your delusional because I don’t believe in the jack-up, whimsical theories of geology (primarily historical geology, not all of it’s jacked-up) and can immediately rip them apart exposing them for the junk they truly are. Yet those who claim to be geological experts refuse to recognize the fallacies in these alleged theories thus digging yourselves ever deeper into a hole of dupedom. with no way out.<< LOL You haven't a clue as to how geology works >>LOL is right! What is really hilarious is how geology truly does not know how the earth works(ed). You know very well my position on massive volcanism (along with aquatic debris flows) as being the primary mechanism for earths’ formations. You guys say playexcuse me plate tectonics where the earth went into some kind of continental demolition derby What a fuggin’ hoot This theory is so pathetic with its per/yr movement that it does not even deserve to be called science. But geologists are gullible folk enough to hang their hat on this idea like flies on stink. Now we have this fact of everything on earth being a plate or a mini plate with the strange ability to scoot independently horizontally over the globe. Give me a break Ya know rox, its probably best that someone outside your field of expertise tell you guys like it is; the plate tectonic theory is utter junk and its high time you guys get off this whimsical theory once and for all.Here’s an example; the British Isles are a result of intense volcanism, not a friggin’ 3cm/yr plate crash. Get the picture there rox?Here’s another example; rocks are brittle (including basalt, sandstone, granite, etc.). Why this simple fact escapes science is beyond me. You guys are looking at dried up rocks that have cured, cracked and dessicated after they were deposited. Yet plate tectonics stacked them up somehow at 4cm/yr. Man you guys obviously have no clue how earthly material truly gets stacked.<< and I am quite certain you have never opened, much less read, a book on geology >>Yes, I do read books on geology whenever I want to glee over wacky, non-scientific ideas for a chuckle. The one thing I will say about geology is you guys don’t deny that EVERYWHERE there was once an ancient sea.<< You, my dear, are a big, fat liar with a massive inferiority complex. >>Oh c’mon there roxyroo just because I blatantly refuse orthodox science and am not afraid to challenge each and every one of you does not make me into a liar now does it? As far as a massive inferiority complex goes, nope, sorry, I have a massive ego I am an ARCHITECT for crying out loud and if you meet an architect who does not have an ego, do NOT hire themHeat ‘n pressureIt’s all about heat ‘n pressure right rox? There certainly was a helluva lot of heat ‘n pressure at one time in earth’s past

Hi Rox,Glad you and Faith are working things out. My sincere apologies to you as well for my rant. By the way, from my reading of her posts, I don’t understand why she has been suspended.It looks like everyone has veered off track a bit onto architecture perhaps we should stick to "earth" architecture and stratification during the Flood.Just to clarify, my beef (not with geologists per se) is with the PT theory as whole in regards to continental drift (i.e. the alleged breakup of Pangea), sea floor spreading and subducting. As I mentioned before I believe that Vertical Tectonics is much more plausible (and Biblical) vs. plate tectonics.I also believe the Great Flood was a massive volcanic event in which the scale was unprecedented. This coupled with aquatic debris flow I believe created the strata we see today.To elaborate a bit on the British Isles; Scotland is entirely of volcanic origin no doubt with the presence of basalt, magmatic dikes, sills etc. The debate is not IF is it volcanic in origin, but when did all of this intense volcanism take place. Perhaps the culprit of this intense volcanism in Scotland can be pinpointed to a massive crater that is partially buried in the sound between the mainland and the Outer Hebrides. These islands are perhaps the remaining rim of the massive crater while land to the west experience massive liquefaction due to blast concussions and is now dissolved, while land to the east and SE was blanketed with a heavy dose of magmatic material being thrust from the crater along with rising magma in the form of dikes and sills due to the cracking of the strata during the eruption process. The dessication of this material can clearly be read in the topography of the Highlands as these mountains were formed by intense volcanism; ballistic and intrusive and are NOT a plate tectonic crumple zone. The fact that there is very little topsoil on these monoliths is evidence of a recent event.Therefore we can conclude that volcanism on a massive scale was the culprit in the formation of these Isles (a plate tectonic plate crash had nothing to do with it). Moreover, the presence of dense, highly crystalline granites can also be evidence of a very powerful eruption process.I believe this process took place during the Great Flood, as well as many other eruptive processes similar to this all over the globe.Thanks

Hi Rox,+++How does volcanism and a debris flow deposit limestone, coal, red sandstone, white sandstone, shale, etc.?+++Deposition of any material needs an ‘engine’ to do so right? That engine has to be intense heat causing massive circulation of debris saturated water. If there is an opening of a massive cauldron in any given region, then you certainly have the needed heat and circulation for the transport and deposition of the material. In my readings through modern geological publications, no one has given any plausible answers to the production or formation of sedimentary stones, so I suppose the ‘ol Arch here has to offer oneFact: Magma often explodes into fine sand particles when it comes into contact with water. So if you have a very large eruptive process taking place under water, then you have the ingredients and dynamics needed for transport and solidification. This process could have been taking place underwater with rising magma issuing through many fissures, exploding within the water (or ballistically ejected), and then being moved and deposited by the waters. After this mechanical process takes place breaking down the magma into sand particles, then ‘curing’ mechanisms take over with massive contraction and even sorting of material into layers. Of course the scale of this process had to be enormous in any given region. The fallacy of orthodox geology is the reading of the strata as long periods of epochs when in the stratification is most likely due to thermal dynamics on a massive scale.Santorini is of course volcanic and is as stripped as a zebra. Also the Waimea Canyon on Kauai is stratified, thus the conclusion of the stratification phenomenon lies in massive volcanic processes taking place during a giant flood.Regardless of the type of sediments (minus alluvial deposits), I don’t see why volcanic action cannot be a direct or indirect method of deposition of material. In fact, is has to be the only natural process as plate tectonic movement of pathetic 2.5 cm/yr does not have any dynamical capabilities whatsoever. I’m always amazed (and entertained) by this comical theory being the default explanation to every geological phenomenon. Evidently, it’s plate tectonic ‘Tinker Bell’ magic that stacked and solidified those rocks+++Have you ever even looked at a geologic map of Scotland? Unless you can show us how volcanism can deposit clastic and marine sedimentary rocks, you need to retract this statement.+++Si. I’ve looked any many geological maps. The fallacy is they are typically 2-D and thus will not give a complete nor true picture of the composition of any given region beyond a very general rendition. It is no different than me issuing a contractor a set of plans only of a building and tell him to go build it without any vertical information or details. I also find it fascinating that in these geology maps (which are colored by numbers), you inevitably have billion year old rocks parked right beside million year old rocks but ZERO explanation of the deposition process. I suppose no one wants to be hanging around when rocks are being deposited in massive layers anyway, thus science has to dance around the true processes big-time.Also, please see my reply below regarding volcanism in Scotland.Thanks

Well hello there Kitsune, your responses are +++as such++++++I've taken a bit of an interest in the geology of the Scottish Highlands. Unfortunately it's clear that you haven't, and that you are making rather absurd guesses that even a quick look at Wikipedia would correct.+++Obviously most of the younger generation inevitably looks to Wikipedia for answers without doing their own in depth research. This fallacy will eventually turn around and bite you.+++During the orogeny, a large granite pluton was formed in this area, and slowly cooled underground. Uplift and erosion (most notably by glaciation) exposed the granite and created the landscape we see today. ++++There we go! Volcanism. These plutons are massive remnants of powerful eruption processes and typically rise after intense episodes within or near a volcanic epicenter. These are essentially resurgent domes that were pasty lavas that dried and cured in place. By the way, if no one truly witnessed this orogeny process milliards of years ago, then milliards of years ago is nothing but evolutionary speculation. Period and paragraph.+++So no "intense vulcanism," and no crater.+++I will slam-dunk this from the free-throw line and shatter the backboard
Fact: The entire Scottish northern territory including Northern Ireland rest on a massive basaltic lava flow that creates the plateux of the entire region. This mega massive basaltic lava flow extends all the way to Iceland, which of course also rests on a massive flow (directly OVER the MOR’s I might add). I certainly hope you understand where basalt comes from and understand the intensity and viscosity of this mega flow which inevitably included very intense explosive episodes as well. Also, it is a recorded fact that many of the volcanic dikes and sills run in N.N.W. pattern toward the Hebrides as well as in intersecting patterns. It is also a fact that dikes and sills are created due to major volcanic concussions shattering the crust and thus allowing magma to issue through the strata. No crater you say? The physical evidence will inevitably reveal otherwise while also pointing to intense volcanism beyond the shadow of any doubt.+++The Outer Hebrides are the eroded remains of an ancient mountain chain. Lewisian gneiss is some of the oldest rock in the world, dating to 3 billion years ago. I don't know what you're trying to make up in the quote above, you've lost me there.+++Again, these rocks are certainly of volcanic origin, end of story. You are stepping into the depths of geo-fantasy with your assumption of eroded ancient mountains. Or, perhaps they were ancient mountains chains that were obliterated by intense volcanism. I’ll certainly buy that one+++The granite pluton that became the Cairngorms was indeed formed as part of a "crumple zone." The Caledonian Orogeny, as the above link explains, was a collision of tectonic plates.+++Oh my goodness. Here we go with more plate tectonic nonsense. If you actually believe in the PT paradigm then think again. Plate Tectonics is bunk from A to Z. You (and millions of others) have quite a bit of catching up to do as others have already debunked this theory left and right. Please see my post #183 in the Flood — many coincidences thread. You, and the rest of the folk that are delusional to this whimsical, non-scientific, made-up sea floor spreading idea, will have to reconcile true science that shatters this theory into pumice. Furthermore, the very idea that mountains are crumple zones due to a sliding plate that experienced brake failure is as base as they come. Surface rocks are now brittle and in fact these forms dried and cured **in place** and **en masse**. Once you recognize this scientific fact, the crumple zone idea of PT becomes a geo-fantasy laughing stock, especially with the alleged, laughable mm/yr movement that is emphatically incapable of doing anything at all except for creating geo-humor for folk who understand true dynamics.+++Well, Percy and others here have explained this. I would also add that glaciers tend to do a pretty good job of scouring topsoil from elevated areas.+++Agreed. No doubt glaciers will remove topsoil. No doubt that glaciation followed the Flood further carving mountains after they were built by intense earth movements taking place during the Flood that obviously was a mega volcanic wrecking ball.+++You're welcome to try again of course, but might I suggest you find out what geologists actually know about an area first. My sister-in-law is a glaciologist who regularly does field work in Scotland and she'd be laughing her ass off at this, if she could be bothered to spend time reading it. +++Your sister-in-law should read The Ancient Volcanoes of Great Britain by who I will consider to be the first volcanologist Sir Archibald Geikie. After she (and perhaps you) read this book, which describes in great detail the massive volcanism that created the British Isles, as well as go see for yourselves the remnants of intense volcanism, I will inevitably be laughing my ass off to Kingdom come. Furthermore, pay very, very close attention to the warning Sir Geikie gave in his preface regarding Werner’s whimsical non-scientific idea of continental drift. This warning fell on deaf ears and now science has adopted this idea (based on nothing but artistic diagrams), and thus geology has sunk into a deep pit of pseudo-science by doing such.I can’t wait to see your next post.