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jaywill
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Message 400 of 479 (564891)
06-13-2010 4:05 PM
Reply to: Message 399 by John 10:10
06-13-2010 8:52 AM


Re: To be raptured or not, that is the question?
For me, it's finishing the work on earth our Lord has called us to do.
"Why do you call Me, 'Lord, Lord,' and do not do what I say ?" Luke 6:46
When my life on earth in centered on this, when I leave this earth is in His hands, not mine.
My question is without making this a personal matter though. Can you see that to heed the Lord's warning in a timely manner is up to the standard? And to heed the Lord's warning late, thought wonderful, is remedial?
Take it out of the personal. Your personal view is quite admirable. I too would like to have that attitude.
If you have students in a class who graduate on the day of graduation, they have not surpassed the standard. But they have come up to the standard. Yet if you have students who have to take night class or summer school to graduate, while this is good, it is remedial, late.
We're glad all eventually graduate. But the best is to do so when it was required.
Isn't being raptured out of the hour of the trial up to the standard then ? And isn't having to pass through the trial to be raptured latter remedial ?
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jaywill
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Message 402 of 479 (564977)
06-14-2010 7:18 AM
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06-13-2010 10:25 PM


Re: To be raptured or not, that is the question?
Unfaithful servants may leave before their time on earth is finished.
By this do you mean that the overcomers who have kept the word of His endurance in (Rev. 3:10) are unfaithful servants ? That would be strange.
But I believe the Lord is in charge of graduation day for all of His faithful servants. Doing the will of God on earth is the only standard for which I believe Believers will be judged.
Are you saying by this that the overcomers of the church of brotherly love "Philadelphia" who have kept the word of the Lord's endurance did not do the Lord's will (Rev. 3:10) ?
'Well done, good and faithful servant. You have been faithful over a few things, I will set you over many things. Enter into the joy of your lord.' (Matt 25:23)
But what I am trying to show is that a pre-tribulation rapture is a reward for doing God's will. And it represents overcoming. It therefore signifies coming up to the standard or normality.
And Christ Himself needs some to experience it in order to do God's will on the earth.
It is not only the work the Christians do for the Lord Jesus. It is much more that God works ON them to work Christ as life INTO their beings. For the building material for His temple is Christ. If we are saturated with Christ we are fit for His living temple. If we are not filled and saturated with Christ we cannot build or be built up into His living temple.
Of the seven churches in Revelation 2 and 3 Philadelphia is the most built up into an organic temple in the Lord. And to her is the reward to be kept out of the hour of great triublation if her constituents would keep the word of His endurance.
The built up living organic church is the city set on a hill that cannot be hid. So she is a great gospel message to all around herself.
As she spreads to gospel she also testifies the effect of the gospel by the building up in brotherly love and her rapture is a testimony to the Christians remaining that Christ was happy with her faithfulness.
So may the Lord bring us into Philadelphia.
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jaywill
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Message 404 of 479 (565007)
06-14-2010 10:32 AM
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06-14-2010 9:51 AM


Re: To be raptured or not, that is the question?
Faithful servants are those who do God's will on earth, becoming God's overcomers in every age, including the last one; and God calls us home at the right time.
If pre-trib rapture is God's reward for the faithful and this happens during our life time, I will be there with you.
I consider that an encouraging compliment. I did not say that I was so garuanteed to be one taken early. I tremble that regardless of Bible knowledge He is no respector of persons.
But I share your hope and receive that as a compliment.
If pre-trib rapture is not God's truth and God calls us to go thru the tribulation as overcomers, will you be there with me?
Beautifully put. By God's mercy I will, should that be the case.
And there is something to not being overly instrospective about one's own condition but lovingly caring for others.
I have strayed away from the topic a bit. What else can we say about this "failed prophecy" theory ?
I don't believe it is failed.
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jaywill
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Message 406 of 479 (565012)
06-14-2010 10:49 AM
Reply to: Message 405 by Phat
06-14-2010 10:36 AM


Re: To be raptured or not, that is the question?
Could it be that God foreknew that peoples logic, reasoning,and overall attitudes and behavior would fit well within the scope of "scoffers" mentioned in some prophecies?
I think it goes further than that.
John marveled when he saw this whore Babylon the Great the mother of prostitutes. My feeling is that he saw prophetically how degraded Christianity would become, and he marveled in amazement, negatively.
But God still obtains His overcomers. He still obtains His Bride and Wife who accompanies Him to put down the Antichrist and the devil at Armageddon.
I think where I differ from you two is that I am willing to question whether the Bible is inerrant or not, having faith that even if it was, God would still be involved. Of course, I could be wrong about that also.
I usually hang around the Bible Study Forum. I don't have a well defined position about this inerrancy matter.
The copies of Scripture clearly evidence typos, mistakes, and errors. I think at present my belief is that the originals were without error.
Now no one has ever seen one of these original inerrant autographs, true. But then again no one has ever seen an errant one either.
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jaywill
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Message 407 of 479 (565013)
06-14-2010 10:59 AM


When it comes to "failed prophecies" there is usually a span of time in which the temptation is strong to believe in failure.
Look at the promise of deliverance from Pharoah by Moses. The moment Pharoah demanded that they gather their own straw and stop being so idle, they must have complained about "failed prophecy".
Quite a few times from Exodus into the 40 years wandering in the wilderness the people murmured about "failed prophecy".
Someone greater than Moses is here now in Jesus Christ. Should I expect that there would be no jeerings of "failed prophecy" from the world and even theologically ?
You have to look back at the track record of the Divine. You have to go back and review God's ways, His resume.
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jaywill
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Message 409 of 479 (565083)
06-14-2010 5:23 PM
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06-14-2010 1:16 PM


Re: To be raptured or not, that is the question?
Would you comment on your take on Matthew 16:10-13.
Here the disciples question Jesus about fulfillment of prophecy. There seems a lesson within His answer.
What do you think He is teaching there ?

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