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Blue Jay Member (Idle past 2019 days) Posts: 2843 From: You couldn't pronounce it with your mouthparts Joined: |
Hi, Ken.
Welcome to EvC!
I've never really thought of this paradigm as being particularly pervasive. -----
But, hair would tend to hamper the movement of things like volatiles and perspiration away from the body. Pheromones would be less effective with hair covering the glands then with bare skin. Perspiration is also less effective when there is hair interfering with convective heat transfer. If anything, these are reasons for the reduction of hair, not for the persistance of hair. -----
Simple comparisons to other organisms reveal that our pelage is relatively impoverished. -Bluejay (a.k.a. Mantis, Thylacosmilus) Darwin loves you.
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Blue Jay Member (Idle past 2019 days) Posts: 2843 From: You couldn't pronounce it with your mouthparts Joined: |
Hi, Ken.
Heat radiating from the body (conductive heat loss) becomes trapped in the boundary layer and keeps the air immediately around the skin warm. Blocking air flow would only increase the amount of heat accumulating at the skin's surface. Air currents moving across the skin are what move the heat away from the body (convective heat loss) and result in cooling of the skin. Hair and fur function to prevent air currents from moving across the skin, and thereby hamper convective heat loss. Without convective heat loss, we only shed excess heat by conduction, which is slow and generally cannot outpace the production of heat that comes from working our muscles. -----
Why? -Bluejay (a.k.a. Mantis, Thylacosmilus) Darwin loves you.
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Blue Jay Member (Idle past 2019 days) Posts: 2843 From: You couldn't pronounce it with your mouthparts Joined: |
Hi, RAZD.
Play on words: I like it. In terms of sweating, surface cooling isn't the only thing it does: heat is removed from the core in sweat too, so, even if it doesn't evaporate away, it's still helping dissipate heat. About pheromones and other scents, I admit less understanding. It may be that the slower dispersal of scents caused by hair is advantageous in some cases, and can actually concentrate the scent more. I know that some moths actually collect pheromones in their hairs, then spread the hairs and fan them in the wind to disperse them, so hair can serve a pheromonal purpose. The thing that bugs me about the way Ken presented this suggests that our body hair is superior to both total nakedness and heavier pelage in terms of perspiration and pheromonal dispersal, which doesn't make a lot of sense to me. -Bluejay (a.k.a. Mantis, Thylacosmilus) Darwin loves you.
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Blue Jay Member (Idle past 2019 days) Posts: 2843 From: You couldn't pronounce it with your mouthparts Joined: |
Hi, Mr Jack.
RAZD and I had this debate awhile back on why is the lack of "fur" positive Progression for humans?, starting around Message 156.
I argued this, as well, but it turns out to not be entirely correct. I even looked up the most basal groups of humans and found them to be the least hairy of the Africans, but it turns out that they've got admixture with Asian populations, so hairlessness may not be a plesiomorphic trait (I don't think there's any evidence on this at the present time, though). -----
Actually, this isn't true. All the big Canidae are built for endurance hunting: they hunt in long chases until their prey are exhausted. Other examples are hyenas (particularly the extinct "hunting hyenas"), stoats and possibly even the thylacine. ----- Since Ken Fabos wants to focus on sensory functions of hair, maybe we could continue this discussion on why is the lack of "fur" positive Progression for humans?: I think there's still potentially a lot to be said for thermoregulatory functions of hairlessness. -Bluejay (a.k.a. Mantis, Thylacosmilus) Darwin loves you.
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Blue Jay Member (Idle past 2019 days) Posts: 2843 From: You couldn't pronounce it with your mouthparts Joined: |
Hi, Ken.
I think you’ve not been reading us very carefully. None of us has argued that hair is not functional. I’m not sure why you think any of us would be arguing that hair is non-functional. We have only been pointing out that, in order for the functions you ascribe to our relative “hairlessness” to have evolutionary significance, you need to show that functionality is greater under the our situation than under other situations. -----
This would be of very little benefit for evaporative cooling. Sweat works in two ways. First, the liquid carries some excess heat away from the core and deposits it outside of the body, thus reducing core temperature. The heat shed in this way is not enough to cause the liquid to evaporate, which is why it is exuded as a liquid. Second, when exuded onto the skin surface, the liquid absorbs heat from the surface, which causes it to evaporate. The net effect is reduced surface temperature. Sweat beads that are wicked away from the skin surface will absorb less (if any) heat from the skin surface, and will thus be less effective at fulfilling this second function than sweat beads that are not wicked away from the surface. You can test this by putting a drop of water on an arm hair, then blowing it away; and then putting a drop of water on your skin, then blowing it away. Sweat wicked away from the body is of less benefit to evaporative cooling than sweat retained on the surface of the body. So, completely bare skin should still outperform a thin pelage in terms of sweating. -Bluejay (a.k.a. Mantis, Thylacosmilus) Darwin loves you.
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Blue Jay Member (Idle past 2019 days) Posts: 2843 From: You couldn't pronounce it with your mouthparts Joined: |
Hi, Ken.
For what purpose? I don’t see a really good reason why detection of parasites requires hairs that are sensitive to even the subtlest breezes when thicker hairs are sufficiently sensitive to detect the movement of parasites on the skin. Fine hairs also result in wide gaps between them, which creates pockets of sensory void that animals with thicker hairs don’t have. I just don’t see how our sparser hair really makes sense as a sensory adaptation. Furthermore, I think the heightened sensitivity to touch on your face can be explained at least as well by the increase in the density of nerves in the skin of the face as by the better sensitivity of fine hairs. Certainly, hairs have important sensory functions for humans. I don’t deny this. And, finally, how does your sensory hypothesis explain ethnic variation in hair-shaft coarseness? -Bluejay (a.k.a. Mantis, Thylacosmilus) Darwin loves you.
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Blue Jay Member (Idle past 2019 days) Posts: 2843 From: You couldn't pronounce it with your mouthparts Joined: |
Hi, Robert.
Please spend some time looking up and studying the words "analysis" and "data," with particular emphasis on how they are used in science. Then, do some careful thinking about what the phrase "rock-solid" means. If, after you've done this, you still believe that the quoted sentence accurately represents the crap you keeping putting out here, please tell us again, so that we can all know that engaging you in further conversation is completely futile. But, make sure you post it publicly so that we have the documentation. Thanks. -Bluejay (a.k.a. Mantis, Thylacosmilus) Darwin loves you.
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