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Author Topic:   Why Ratings Are Not Objective.
Minnemooseus
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Message 76 of 88 (563998)
06-07-2010 5:52 PM


Finding messages having ratings
I do think the current member message rating system is deeply flawed and not to be taken too seriously.
That said, I do have some curiosity about what my current "4" member rating is based upon. But I am unable to track down any of my messages that have received a rating.
Could there be some sort of search function to track down rated messages?
Moose

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Straggler
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Message 77 of 88 (564037)
06-07-2010 9:38 PM
Reply to: Message 76 by Minnemooseus
06-07-2010 5:52 PM


Re: Finding messages having ratings
MM writes:
That said, I do have some curiosity about what my current "4" member rating is based upon. But I am unable to track down any of my messages that have received a rating.
You may have noticed that your rating has plummeted. This is because of me (sorry). I rated about ten of your messages in a mini version of one of Petrophysics's campaigns of personal hatred to see what would happen.
Admin writes:
So for those of you trying to influence the member ratings your job is easy: vote once.
This is just blatantly untrue. The more you are continuously rated by one person the more that one persons vote counts.
I do think the current member message rating system is deeply flawed and not to be taken too seriously.
Blatantly.

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Minnemooseus
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Message 78 of 88 (564046)
06-07-2010 10:26 PM
Reply to: Message 77 by Straggler
06-07-2010 9:38 PM


Re: Finding messages having ratings
You may have noticed that your rating has plummeted.
I feel better now. Most of my messages are too lame for me to be carrying a "4" rating.
I rated about ten of your messages in a mini version of one of Petrophysics's campaigns of personal hatred to see what would happen.
Actually, I suspect that I've had so few messages rated that one "1" was all it took to drop a "4" to a "2.2".
By the way, should you be messing with someone who can arrange for your status to be changed from "member" to "suspended member"?
Moose
Added by edit: Damn, that "1" I just gave you at the previous message had no effect on your "2.3". Must be a really solid "2.3".
Edited by Minnemooseus, : See above.

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Blue Jay
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Message 79 of 88 (564050)
06-07-2010 11:04 PM
Reply to: Message 77 by Straggler
06-07-2010 9:38 PM


Re: Finding messages having ratings
Hi, Straggler.
Straggler writes:
This is just blatantly untrue. The more you are continuously rated by one person the more that one persons vote counts.
The way Percy explained it, each individual only gets one vote on a person's rating, which is the average of all the ratings that individual gave to the person.
So, in order for your continual adding of "1"s to make a difference, you must have once rated a Moose message high, and each successive "1" brings down the average of your ratings.

-Bluejay (a.k.a. Mantis, Thylacosmilus)
Darwin loves you.

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Straggler
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Message 80 of 88 (564089)
06-08-2010 7:25 AM
Reply to: Message 78 by Minnemooseus
06-07-2010 10:26 PM


Re: Finding messages having ratings
Actually, I suspect that I've had so few messages rated that one "1" was all it took to drop a "4" to a "2.2".
Nope. It took all 10. I watched it go down successively and wondered if there would come a point of having no effect. That point didn't come. I just got bored.
By the way, should you be messing with someone who can arrange for your status to be changed from "member" to "suspended member"?
Never been suspended yet and would hate for it to occur over something done in the spirit of experimentation.
Also I figured you admins could just wipe out the results of my experiment anyway.
Added by edit: Damn, that "1" I just gave you at the previous message had no effect on your "2.3". Must be a really solid "2.3".
It is. Petrophysics has gone through and 1 rated every single post of some members (Phage and Bluegenes amongst others) in a given thread. He must have rated hundreds of messages at a time.
Must be a really solid "2.3"
Or at least it was. I see it has changed. So not sure what is going on now. But at least I can die happy with my new elevated status

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Straggler
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Message 81 of 88 (564090)
06-08-2010 7:32 AM
Reply to: Message 79 by Blue Jay
06-07-2010 11:04 PM


Re: Finding messages having ratings
The way Percy explained it, each individual only gets one vote on a person's rating, which is the average of all the ratings that individual gave to the person.
So, in order for your continual adding of "1"s to make a difference, you must have once rated a Moose message high, and each successive "1" brings down the average of your ratings.
I don't think I had ever rated Moose until my mini campaign of experimental 1 ratings. And each 1 rating I gave him had a significant effect.
So I am unconvinced that is how it actually works. But who knows. Bring on the new all singing all dancing AI system that actually gives you verbal feedback (in a Hawking style robot voice) as you write is all I can say.
In Hawking robot voice: **This post sucks. Hit that submit button at your own risk of ridicule and humiliation**

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Message 82 of 88 (564099)
06-08-2010 8:45 AM
Reply to: Message 81 by Straggler
06-08-2010 7:32 AM


Re: Finding messages having ratings
Straggler writes:
I don't think I had ever rated Moose until my mini campaign of experimental 1 ratings. And each 1 rating I gave him had a significant effect.
Thanks for finding this. I must have broken it in the last release. Should be a simple fix.

--Percy
EvC Forum Director

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Message 83 of 88 (564103)
06-08-2010 9:21 AM
Reply to: Message 81 by Straggler
06-08-2010 7:32 AM


Re: Finding messages having ratings
Member ratings are updated only when someone rates one of their messages. Could you try rating a few more of Moose's messages? The first one should assign him the correct rating, subsequent ones shouldn't change that rating at all, assuming you continue assigning him 1's.
--Percy
Edited by Admin, : No reason given.

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Straggler
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Message 84 of 88 (564130)
06-08-2010 12:22 PM
Reply to: Message 83 by Admin
06-08-2010 9:21 AM


Re: Finding messages having ratings
Well I have rated an additional 9 of Moose's posts with 1s (sorry again Moose!) and this appears to have had no effect whatsoever on his member rating which remains a solid 4.
I am not sure if that is as intended or not..

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Message 85 of 88 (564186)
06-08-2010 8:58 PM
Reply to: Message 84 by Straggler
06-08-2010 12:22 PM


Re: Finding messages having ratings
Yep, it's working as it should!
Edited by Admin, : No reason given.

--Percy
EvC Forum Director

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onifre
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Message 86 of 88 (564326)
06-09-2010 9:20 PM
Reply to: Message 84 by Straggler
06-08-2010 12:22 PM


Re: Finding messages having ratings
Dude, why the fuck are you rating shit? BTW, I'm drunk and high so excuse my asshole remarks. Stop caring about ratings, no one gives a fuck. You're cooler than that, Strag...
- Oni

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Straggler
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Message 87 of 88 (564394)
06-10-2010 8:35 AM
Reply to: Message 86 by onifre
06-09-2010 9:20 PM


Re: Finding messages having ratings
Dude, why the fuck are you rating shit?
To see what happens.
Stop caring about ratings, no one gives a fuck
Easy to say from your elevated 3.4 status!!
You're cooler than that, Strag...
Apparently not. But as of now I will be!!
BTW I have given your message of inspiration and hope a well deserved 5

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onifre
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Message 88 of 88 (565585)
06-18-2010 9:26 AM
Reply to: Message 87 by Straggler
06-10-2010 8:35 AM


Re: Finding messages having ratings
Ehmmm, 3.9, sir...
- Oni

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