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Author Topic:   Bin Laden and Al Gore are now two peas in a pod
John 10:10
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Message 91 of 138 (565982)
06-22-2010 10:17 AM
Reply to: Message 51 by Son
02-06-2010 3:18 PM


Perhaps, but maybe not!
When's the last time you saw/heard of Islamic terrorists strapping bombs to themselves, blowing themselves up in a blaze of glory, taking as many Muslims & non-Muslims with them as they can, all the while yelling "Death to the gays!"

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John 10:10
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Message 92 of 138 (565985)
06-22-2010 10:29 AM
Reply to: Message 52 by Granny Magda
02-06-2010 3:19 PM


Equating Hitler with Christianity, I think not!
So when Hitler "supposedly" fights for the Bible and Christianity, as he indeed claimed, that makes you and him "peas in a pod"?
The key word here is "supposedly." Sadly, it's your supposition, not Hitler's, nor of history. Try reading a little Bonhoeffer, and how Hitler had him killed just a few weeks before Hitler knew his time was up. Hitler could not stand going into eternity with Bonhoeffer still alive. Bonhoeffer is now with his Lord Jesus Christ, and Hitler is with his lord Satan.
Edited by John 10:10, : changed subtitle

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Son
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Message 93 of 138 (565996)
06-22-2010 11:17 AM
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06-22-2010 10:17 AM


Re: Perhaps, but maybe not!
Are you trying to argue that Islamists have nothing against Gays? I'm not talking about them killing gays (even though you can see them doing just that in Iraq and Iran) but denying them rights. You can't be serious in denying that both fundamentalist muslims and fundamentalist christians oppose gay rights, right? You can't deny there was an outcry both from fundamentalist christians and muslims when the UN tried to pass a resolution in favor of gay rights.
Edited by Son, : No reason given.

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John 10:10
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Message 94 of 138 (566006)
06-22-2010 12:04 PM
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06-22-2010 11:17 AM


Re: Perhaps, but maybe not!
While it's true that Christians, Muslims and Jews will all come together on moral issues, such as opposing "special rights" for homosexuals, and declaring homosexuality is not God's norm for mankind and society.
But if you will look back at your post 51, you were equating fundamentalist christians with terrorists. Big difference! I do not see Islamic terrorists on a crusade against gays. Islamic terrorists do not care who they kill. Apparently they have no moral issues with killing men, women and children of every kind.

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ramoss
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Message 95 of 138 (566007)
06-22-2010 12:16 PM
Reply to: Message 94 by John 10:10
06-22-2010 12:04 PM


Re: Perhaps, but maybe not!
You don't know anything about the Jewish religion, do you. I am not particularly shocked that you are totally and utterly ignorant about Jewish attitudes and Jewish faith..
On the other hand, boy , did Hitler hate those Gays. It goes along with his Christian beliefs.
And condsidering you equated Bin Laden and Al Gore, that is damn hypocritical of you.
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Son
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Message 96 of 138 (566011)
06-22-2010 1:07 PM
Reply to: Message 94 by John 10:10
06-22-2010 12:04 PM


Re: Perhaps, but maybe not!
John 10:10 writes:
When two people supposedly fight for the same cause - save the world from man-caused global warming, they are still two peas in a pod.
That's because I was responding to this. I pointed out that using the same reasoning you used, we could equate terrorists and people like you.
You both fight against gay rights so according to your reasoning, you are both two peas in a pod. Terrorists are against everyone they consider "evil", the gays are included even though they are only a part of the people they hate.
Btw, did you mean that fundamentalists christians are on a crusade against gays but since terrorists aren't, they aren't the same?
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Message 97 of 138 (566013)
06-22-2010 1:12 PM
Reply to: Message 94 by John 10:10
06-22-2010 12:04 PM


Re: Perhaps, but maybe not!
While it's true that Christians, Muslims and Jews will all come together on moral issues, such as opposing "special rights" for homosexuals, and declaring homosexuality is not God's norm for mankind and society.
I think you mean equal rights, not special rights.
But if you will look back at your post 51, you were equating fundamentalist christians with terrorists. Big difference! I do not see Islamic terrorists on a crusade against gays. Islamic terrorists do not care who they kill. Apparently they have no moral issues with killing men, women and children of every kind.
They go after all apostates, including homosexuals.

"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from mistaken conviction." — Blaise Pascal

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John 10:10
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Message 98 of 138 (566037)
06-22-2010 2:50 PM
Reply to: Message 95 by ramoss
06-22-2010 12:16 PM


Re: Perhaps, but maybe not!
You don't know anything about the Jewish religion, do you. I am not particularly shocked that you are totally and utterly ignorant about Jewish attitudes and Jewish faith.
On the other hand, boy, did Hitler hate those Gays. It goes along with his Christian beliefs.
Traditional Judaism considers homosexual acts as a violation of Jewish law (halakha). More progressive movements of Judaism believe homosexuality today was not understood when the Bible was written so the Biblical prohibition of homosexual acts needs to be adapted. I side with traditional Judaism.
As for Hitler's Christian beliefs, Hitler in no way entered into God's salvation allowing Jesus to be Lord of his life. Hitler persecuted those Christians that outwardly opposed him, especially Bonhoeffer whom he had killed just a few weeks before he committed suicide.

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John 10:10
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Message 99 of 138 (566040)
06-22-2010 3:03 PM
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06-22-2010 1:07 PM


Re: Perhaps, but maybe not!
You haven't shown us where Islamic terrorists are on a specific crusade against gays. When you can show this, I will respond. Islamic terrorists are out the kill, steal and destroy anyone who get in their way, which is their primary agenda.
Fundamentalist Christians simply believe the practice of homosexuality is a sin as defined by God, as are the sins of adultry, and any other sex outside of marraige between a man and a woman.

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John 10:10
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Message 100 of 138 (566041)
06-22-2010 3:11 PM
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06-22-2010 1:12 PM


Re: Perhaps, but maybe not!
I think you mean equal rights, not special rights.
No, I meant "special rights." There are sufficient laws on our books that give gays equal rights. All that's needed is for these laws to be fairly/effectively enforced.
If some believe gays do not have equal rights to marriage, if/when they can get the right to marraige under law, so be it.

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Son
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Message 101 of 138 (566049)
06-22-2010 4:09 PM
Reply to: Message 99 by John 10:10
06-22-2010 3:03 PM


Re: Perhaps, but maybe not!
What the hell? I'm aware they are not against gays specifically the same way Hitler wasn't against gays specifically, it's still true that they kill gays when they see them and are against gay rights.
Here's a link to fundamentalist muslims "opinion" on gays:
DIRELAND: IRAN EXECUTES 2 GAY TEENAGERS (updated)
Gay men attacked, executed in Iraq, rights group says - CNN.com
Now, do you agree that fundamentalists muslims and muslim terrorists are against gay rights? If you asked any of those if gay marriage should be allowed, answer me: what would be their opinion? Would it be the same as yours or would they approve of gay marriage?

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John 10:10
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Message 102 of 138 (566068)
06-22-2010 6:41 PM
Reply to: Message 101 by Son
06-22-2010 4:09 PM


Re: Perhaps, but maybe not!
In free societies, the gay marriage issue is determined by the constitutional laws of the land or state. This is the way it is in America. Tell us how France handles the gay marraige issue?
In Islamic societies that are not free, such as in many Muslim countries, the Koran/Shiria Law determines the gay marriage issue.
My beliefs are determined by God's revelation as revealed in the Bible, but I adhere to the laws of the land, unless they require me to violate my personal beliefs.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 103 of 138 (566093)
06-23-2010 1:49 AM
Reply to: Message 100 by John 10:10
06-22-2010 3:11 PM


Re: Perhaps, but maybe not!
No, I meant "special rights." There are sufficient laws on our books that give gays equal rights. All that's needed is for these laws to be fairly/effectively enforced.
So ... gay people already have the right to marry, but the judicial branch is ignoring this?
Can you show me the law?
Also, if they already have these equal rights of which you speak, then for the legislature to pass a law specifically saying so would not endow them with "special rights", just remind those indolent or corrupt judges of the rights that gay people already have.

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Message 104 of 138 (566095)
06-23-2010 1:52 AM
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06-22-2010 6:41 PM


Re: Perhaps, but maybe not!
John 10:10, message #102 writes:
In free societies, the gay marriage issue is determined by the constitutional laws of the land or state.
John 10:10, message #100 writes:
There are sufficient laws on our books that give gays equal rights. All that's needed is for these laws to be fairly/effectively enforced.
Discuss.

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Son
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Message 105 of 138 (566110)
06-23-2010 4:10 AM
Reply to: Message 102 by John 10:10
06-22-2010 6:41 PM


Re: Perhaps, but maybe not!
But you still oppose gay marriages despite this isuue not requiring you to do anything, right? What I'm pointing out is that your ideology concerning this matter is the same as the terrorists and fundamentalists muslims, meaning, using the reasoning you used to compare Al Gore and Ben Laden, that you are two peas in a pod with those guys.
And what did your reply had to do with the topic? I'm not even arguing whether you are morally "wrong" or "right", but that you are the same as thosemuslim fundamentalists (still according to your reasoning).
To remind you, the argument you made was that since Al Gore and Ben Laden pretend to share a common cause (Global Warming), they are two peas in the same pod. Accordingly, since fundamentalists christians, fundamentalists muslims and terrorists share a common cause (anti-Gay rights), you guys are two peas in the same pod.

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