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Message 21 of 60 (566015)
06-22-2010 1:33 PM 		Reply to: Message 1 by SwampDonkey
06-20-2010 2:51 AM

Re: Question
Hi SwampDonkey,
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Providing you ever come back I have a question.
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Information is required for evolution to take place so my question is:
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DNA has a tremendous amount of informatin stored in it, where did all that information come from?
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Message 24 of 60 (566046)
06-22-2010 3:29 PM 		Reply to: Message 22 by subbie
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Re: Question
Hi subbie,
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subbie writes:
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Meaningless without a workable definition of "information," which no creo has ever provided.
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Especially one you agree with.
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I take information to be a message with a sender that is responsible for the information and a receiver.
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The information is any message the sender chooses to compose.
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I know this won't meet your approval but so what?
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God Bless,
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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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06-23-2010 9:45 AM 		Reply to: Message 25 by Dr Adequate
06-22-2010 5:00 PM

Re: Question
Hi Dr,
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Dr Adequate writes:
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OK, so I suppose in the biological case the sender is evolution, the message is the genomes ... and the receivers, I guess, are the ribosomes.
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How can evolution be the producer of the information?
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If evolution is the result of the processing of the information that is sent to the receiver by the sender.
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God Bless,
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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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06-23-2010 2:05 PM 		Reply to: Message 40 by Dr Adequate
06-23-2010 11:57 AM

Re: Question
Hi Dr.
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Dr Adequate writes:
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Uh ... by evolution being the producer of the information?
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I am asking the questions because I don't have a clue.
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You are supposed to be the one with the answers according to what you put forth in Professional Debate: Scientific Evidence for/against Evolution.
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So let me rephrase my question.
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Evolution is produced by mutations, and natural selection.
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Without information nothing can take place.
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Information is contained in a cell nucleus the size of a pin point. The human genome stored on DNA in this nucleus is over six billion letters total. A copy of this information is contained in almost every cell in our body.
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My question was where does all this information come from?
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If evolution produces this information, how does it produce it?
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If mutations produce this information, how does it produce it?
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Which brings me back to my original question.
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DNA has a tremendous amount of information stored in it, where did all that information come from?
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As I understand information it has to be created.
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Is there anyway that information can begin to exist without being created?
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God Bless,
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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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Message 45 of 60 (566203)
06-23-2010 2:59 PM 		Reply to: Message 41 by Modulous
06-23-2010 12:28 PM

Re: information origins.
Hi Mod,
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Modulous writes:
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The answer therefore is: From the laws of physics. How did it get into the genome? Work was done. Where did the information from the laws of physics come from? Not a question for evolution.
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Satisfied?
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No.
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Because there is no natural process known to science that creates coded information.
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06-23-2010 3:06 PM 		Reply to: Message 44 by Coragyps
06-23-2010 2:57 PM

Re: Question
Hi Coragyps,
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Coragyps writes:
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From mutations in the DNA of earlier generations of organisms, ICANT.
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So where did the information come from that caused the mutation?
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I can understand how the reduction of information could happen.
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But not how it could increase as new information would need to be coded. There is no known natural process for this to happen.
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God Bless,
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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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Message 49 of 60 (566213)
06-23-2010 3:32 PM 		Reply to: Message 42 by Dr Jack
06-23-2010 1:03 PM

Re: Question
Hi Mr Jack,
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Mr Jack writes:
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2. It's not obvious how it applies to evolution. What is the sender? What is the receiver? What is the message?
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What difference does it make what is the sender?
What difference does it make what is the receiver?
What difference does it make what the message is?
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A processor can process information that is input into it.
The processor can then display this information on a screen.
The processor can also store the information on a hard drive.
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Information as we know it comes from a mind.
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But where did the information come from that is stored in the DNA?
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Is there an empirical example of a code or language that occurs naturally?
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Remember I have no idea what I am talking about. I am just asking questions trying to find information.
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God Bless,
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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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06-23-2010 3:36 PM 		Reply to: Message 48 by New Cat's Eye
06-23-2010 3:25 PM

Re: information origins.
Hi CS,
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CS writes:
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The process explained by the Theory of Evolution does.
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That is: Random Mutation + Natural Selection.
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No that tells you what happened.
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It does not tell you were the new information came from.
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I think I need to wait until the fellow that promised all the answers to every question to come back and answer my question.
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God Bless,
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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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Message 51 of 60 (566217)
06-23-2010 3:40 PM 		Reply to: Message 47 by Coragyps
06-23-2010 3:18 PM

Re: Question
Hi Coragyps,
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Coragyps writes:
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Oh, but there is. Mutation and natural selection is one such natural process.
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How does the mutation or natural selection produce new information?
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Do you have an empirical example of a code or language that occurs naturally?
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God Bless,
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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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