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bluegenes
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Message 128 of 424 (567158)
06-29-2010 8:15 PM
Reply to: Message 123 by crashfrog
06-29-2010 7:19 PM


crashfrog writes:
No? Then it's actually a highly likely possibility that NJ said a lot of things you don't know about, now isn't it?
Like that he thought that homosexuality shouldn't be illegal, for example? He certainly wouldn't say that about rape.
Hi crashfrog, and welcome back.
NJ's obsession was that moral relativists had no objective base for deciding anything about right and wrong. He was consistent about this, and argued that they had no basis for describing killing as wrong on a thread about moral relativity.
That certainly didn't mean that his "objective" moral code told him that killing was no worse than shoplifting.
On homosexuality, his claim is that relativists have no criteria for distinguishing between homosexuality and rape, not that he, the absolutist doesn't.
His arguments were often clumsy, but that's the central theme.

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bluegenes
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Posts: 3119
From: U.K.
Joined: 01-24-2007


Message 136 of 424 (567178)
06-29-2010 11:02 PM
Reply to: Message 130 by crashfrog
06-29-2010 8:36 PM


crashfrog writes:
I thought that was pretty reasonable at the time, and I still do. If NJ had really been interested in making and participating in arguments about moral relativism, he would have modified his language to remove the offense, which was acting as a significant obstacle to debate. Just out of self-interest.
Instead he doubled-down on that language. Because he wasn't interested in moral debate, he was interested in trolling homosexuals and their allies, like myself, Taz, and Dan.
I agree that the point you made to NJ was well argued, and seems reasonable. However, I do think his distaste for moral relativism was genuine, and that his religion was very important to him.
As for trolling, there's a point about NJ's experience on this site that maybe should be mentioned. He used to get attacked, slagged off and insulted all the time. Those of us who pretty much disagreed with him on just about everything might argue that he asked for it, but we should admit that he was on the receiving end of far more insults than he gave out.
Looking through his posts, I came across a reply to one by a character called "bluegenes" which said something like "only superstitious fools would base their morality on texts from a semi-barbaric bronze age culture."
That's really just like saying "you're a superstitious fool, mate", and is arguably treading on the board's guidelines.
So, when you look at his posts, read some of the replies from many different people. The guy took a lot more stick than he gave, I think, and perhaps that puts what appears to you to be trolling into context.
I'm not sure about people participating on this board claiming a right not to be offended. I don't claim it. I've been told that I'm going to hell, and I think it's fine for people to express that opinion on this board, or anything else they believe, and I wouldn't dream of complaining to the mods about such things.
I'm well aware that the religious people here can be very offended by the views of people like myself, but I don't think they have a right not to be offended. Offence is inevitable here.

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