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Author Topic:   Did Mod cause the collapse of evcforum?
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Message 13 of 424 (566855)
06-28-2010 9:23 AM
Reply to: Message 3 by crashfrog
06-27-2010 6:44 PM


It's Not Easy Being Green
Hey, the frog is back! How you doing, Froggie?
Look, we covered this at the time and you weren't willing to listen then. Is anything different now, Mod?
You're not doing all that well, apparently.
And the truth is, the answer was no - you couldn't be unfair enough, capricious enough, and cruel enough to get people to see your actions as anything but cruel, capricious, and unfair.
Bullshit.
You got some kind of thorn stuck in your flipper, Frog?
I was also here before, during and after. There was nothing unfair, capricious or cruel about Percy's handling of that whole mess. And make no mistake, regardless of who the individual moderators were, and your hard-on for some of them, this is Percy's baby and he is the only one responsible.
Were there some things that could have been done better? Hell yes. We're dealing with humans here. We can all do things better in hindsight. At the time, however, the situation, which you yourself helped to exacerbate with your incessant whining, needed to be addressed and appropriately was.
Ultimately, Mod, did your actions result in an improvement, or decline, in the general quality of debate and participants? The answer is abundantly obvious to me, which is why I don't post here anymore.
Since the forum is still here, I'd say it hasn't collapsed.
You'd have to know what it was like before to say, I think. Trust me when I say, it's collapsed.
A large chunk of confirmation bias here, Frog. I can see you wish this were true to vindicate this poison attitude you seem to be carrying.
Again, I was here then as now. This site is as vibrant and interesting as it has ever been. A lot of the Old Guard are still here, along with a whole covey of New Bloods with fresh ideas and interesting styles. The creationists well, all creationists are cut from the same holy cloth, still talking flud and 2nd Law of Thermal Documents, etc., so nothing there ever changes. But the topics are as diverse and the discussions as deep, often heated, and fun as always. That you are willfully blind to this and do not want to appreciate it is your own loss.
Your view of this whole thing is bogus. I guess it isn't easy being green.
Why are you here, Frog?
Have you come back to sling shit at Percy for some perceived injury to your ego? Is this some cathartic exercise for your wounded psyche? Have you changed from Crash Frog to Troll Frog or maybe Trash Frog? Does this whole thing still hurt your sensitive ego?
Suck it up, grow a pair, and get on with life, man. You're not 16 anymore.
If you want to come back and play with the rest of us in Percy's Sandbox then welcome back, Crash Frog. But if you're here to be Trash Frog, throw sand and crap at everyone then just pick up your bucket of bullshit and leave.
So the real question is this: Stay and play or trash and troll?

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Message 46 of 424 (567016)
06-29-2010 10:01 AM
Reply to: Message 22 by crashfrog
06-28-2010 3:58 PM


Re: It's Not Easy Being Green
You didn't answer the question, Frog.
Why are you here?
And I continue to be struck by how prophetic I turned out to be
Everything that happened in the Purge occurred almost exactly as I predicted
I felt then that the actions of moderators were eroding confidence in their objectivity, and events ultimately proved me right.
Is this what you want, Frog? Vindication of your feelings from back then? You want us all to stand in awe at your prophetic nature?
We don't care, Frog.
My response, whether you find it civil or not, is appropriate.
Suck it up, grow a pair, and get on with life, man. You're not 16 anymore.
But I think your problem is deeper that that.
You have a hard-on for the moderation style on this forum, don't you? They didn't react the way you think they should. You see the near unanimity of the moderators' opinions against you as some kind of conspiracy. That's fine. You are entitled to your opinion.
I am entitled to mine. Despite your continued harangue about how arbitrary, capricious and cruel the moderation was, in fact it was not.
After three years absence you jump in here and start throwing shit around. Why? To vindicate your feelings from back then? To show how "right" you were back then? To kick Mod in the balls while rubbing crap in Percy's face?
You say the forum has collapsed. All evidence to the contrary the board was then and is now doing just fine. Is this what is pissing you off?
What kind of vindictiveness is this, Frog? You say you are not holding a grudge. Your protestations to the contrary it appears you indeed do still hold a grudge, and a powerful poisonous one at that.
Petulant child.
Again, Frog:
Suck it up, grow a pair, and get on with life, man. You're not 16 anymore.
So back to the question.
Why are you here, Frog?

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Message 141 of 424 (567190)
06-30-2010 12:55 AM
Reply to: Message 71 by crashfrog
06-29-2010 2:34 PM


Fuck Constructive - Answer the Question
You didn't answer the question, Frog.
I think you'll find that I did, Paul. Please go back and read more carefully.
No, Frog, you did not answer the question. You gave me your excuse, your vehicle. You never answered to the motivation.
Why are you here, Frog?
To piss and moan over a three year old difference of opinion? Don't give us this crap about Rrhain and Mod's heated discussion. That's just your excuse.
Look Frog, the facts are these:
1. Some people got kicked out of the sandbox.
Frankly, I don't give a flying flip why it happened. It's all there in the archives for everyone to see. Everyone can form there own opinion. It's irrelevant.
2. In protest others said they wanted to get kicked out. They were obliged.
3. Still others, you included, took their toys and left the sandbox on your own as further protest.
4. Now three years later you storm back in here throwing sand at everyone.
You say you are not holding a grudge?
Sure as hell looks like you are.
I think we deserve to know why you are doing this, Frog.
It has got to be more than just NJ's attitude and his stalking; more than just Mod and the other moderators' judgement, that has so poisoned your attitude to such a caustic extent. Unless you're a petulant little child unable to control yourself, unable to let go. That might be your explanation.
I don't know because you have not yet answered the question.
So why are you here, Frog?
Do you have some deep-seated need, borne of petulance and ego, to rant and rave over your difference of opinion with the moderators stemming from a long cold, dead incident three years ago? Are you so insecure you needed to come back to show everyone that you were right; that your opinion is the only correct one to have about some long cold, dead incident from three years ago? Are you so immature you can't let go of your hatred toward Mod, Percy, this site and this community because it didn't collapse like you wanted it to three years ago?
Are you trolling? Just looking to stir up a fight? What?
Is there something else that happened that could justify your coming back here this late full of such bitterness and hatred?
We cannot know since you dodge and weave about evading the question.
Are you afraid of something?
I don't care about your views of NJ and his attitude. I don't care about your warnings of disaster to the moderation team. I don't care about who should or should not have been stronger, weaker, more or less benevolent toward this one or that one.
I really don't care about any of your opinions on this ancient history at all, Frog.
What I want to know is why you feel justified in coming back in here and pissing on everybody?
What the hell are you doing back here, Frog?

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Message 142 of 424 (567191)
06-30-2010 1:05 AM
Reply to: Message 137 by Bolder-dash
06-29-2010 11:38 PM


Re: Is a discussion about the inconsistency of moderation off topic?
So just suck it up, grow a pair, and take your bullshit elsewhere you overly sensitive, adolescent, screwed up psyche sensitives trolls! Take you sand bucket and play elsewhere if you can't take us not allowing insults, you shit throwing little kids!!!!~!
Very good, Bolder-dash! Now you're getting it!

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Message 146 of 424 (567198)
06-30-2010 1:54 AM
Reply to: Message 144 by crashfrog
06-30-2010 1:47 AM


Re: Fuck Constructive - Answer the Question
the events that I would have left in protest over happened after I had already left.
Then I stand corrected.
Why are you here, Paul?
To find out why you feel justified in storming in here after a three-year absence pissing on everyone.
Care to answer the question now, Crash?

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Message 151 of 424 (567208)
06-30-2010 2:50 AM
Reply to: Message 148 by crashfrog
06-30-2010 2:12 AM


Re: Fuck Constructive - Answer the Question
When Rrhain brought up the GenDiscMod11 thread, and Modulous opened this thread to re-hash those issues, I decided to oblige him.
That is the excuse. We understand that.
Care to answer the question now, Crash?
I had, and now I just did.
Still evading.
What's this continuing hard-on you have for this place, Crash?
Lurking doesn't count. After a three year absence you show up here pissing on everything, Mod, the other moderators, Percy, the forum and its members, everything. That is a powerful poisonous attitude after three years. Why?
And what's wrong with "Frog?" I happen to like frogs.
Think you could answer mine, now?
Sure. To find out why you feel justified in storming in here after a three-year absence pissing on everyone.
It's clear you're not interested in any part of this thread, so why are you in it?
To find out why you feel justified in storming in here after a three-year absence pissing on everyone.
Just to call me names?
No. But to find out why you feel justified in storming in here after a three-year absence pissing on everyone.
Maybe you could put those in an email instead and save everybody the trouble of pointedly ignoring them.
I think everyone here is entitled to know why you feel justified in storming in here after a three-year absence pissing on everyone.
So, instead of hiding behind the Mod/Rrhain scrabble as an excuse can you tell us why you feel justified in storming in here after a three-year absence pissing on everyone? Do you even know the answer yourself?

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Message 153 of 424 (567212)
06-30-2010 3:23 AM
Reply to: Message 152 by ICANT
06-30-2010 3:09 AM


Re: Moderation
So Mod shut this thing down and get on with your life.
ICANT, i can't believe I'm saying this, but I agree with you.
I guess miracles do still happen.

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Message 205 of 424 (567292)
06-30-2010 2:33 PM
Reply to: Message 192 by crashfrog
06-30-2010 1:09 PM


An End To It
Interesting people, an effective and easy-to-use BB software, a subject focus that I'm interested in, and a set of clear and effective forum guidelines that promote highly informative discussion.
Good. I'm glad we agree.
"Pissing"? Sorry, Paul, you're completely full of shit.
Nothing new there. Personality flaw.
But I and others know personal animosity and vitriol (pissing) when we see it and your initial messages in this thread are that in spades whether you personally care to admit it or not.
You're so full of your own bile you cannot see it.
Since I've not done that - since literally no part of your characterization of this thread is accurate - what do you expect to get, here? I can't justify something I didn't actually do - to wit, I didn't "storm in", since I was already here, and I've not pissed on anybody.
That's actually what you're doing, Paul.
Nothing but denial of the obvious followed by projection, Fro ... er ... Crash.
I take it you do not know the reason you stormed in here after a three year absence pissing on everything and everybody. You cannot admit you have done so since you cannot even see that you have done so. You deflect the question of why with denial and projection.
Others will draw their own conclusions from this. I will conclude that you have been a petulant little child on a pent-up tantrum three years in the making.
So grow up and get over it, Frog. Grow a pair. You're not 16 any more.
Finis.
Edited by AZPaul3, : No reason given.

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Message 208 of 424 (567297)
06-30-2010 2:44 PM
Reply to: Message 206 by Hyroglyphx
06-30-2010 2:36 PM


Re: The Bombshell of Revelation
I think I tend to take the middle ground more often now because I generally have the distinct ability to see both sides of an issue.
Well don't take that too far now. You'll be uninteresting.
I never found NJ to be uninteresting and so far Hyro has held his own.
Welcome home.
Cept you've been here all this time so I suppose ... well ... welcome home anyway.
Edited by AZPaul3, : Sorry, Mom.

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Message 210 of 424 (567302)
06-30-2010 2:53 PM
Reply to: Message 209 by Hyroglyphx
06-30-2010 2:48 PM


But what are your thoughts on site improvement?
Bad, bad, Hyro. Off topic. You're gonna get troouuble!
But since you asked ... I'm all for it.

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Message 218 of 424 (567339)
06-30-2010 4:49 PM
Reply to: Message 217 by crashfrog
06-30-2010 4:42 PM


Re: An End To It
Any other abuse you'd like to send my way is best directed to my email address.
No, Crash. We have our answer. I'm done here.
And since I have not said so before ... welcome back.

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Message 235 of 424 (567482)
07-01-2010 10:55 AM
Reply to: Message 224 by dronestar
07-01-2010 9:14 AM


Re: What is the conclusion (Part B)?
The next time a member relentlessly pursues (in different threads?) a point on a controversial topic in language that a member finds deeply offensive, what action do YOU think the moderator(s) SHOULD take, if any?
Since this forum serves an international audience and since not all of its constituencies condone such a thing I suppose capital punishment is out.

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Message 261 of 424 (567594)
07-01-2010 8:38 PM
Reply to: Message 260 by crashfrog
07-01-2010 5:10 PM


Re: What is the conclusion (Part B)?
Deleted.
Edited by AZPaul3, : Not necessary

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Message 266 of 424 (567652)
07-02-2010 5:08 AM
Reply to: Message 264 by Rrhain
07-02-2010 4:14 AM


Rrhain to Mod:
You haven't learned your lesson and I will point it out every time you make the same mistake.
The only lesson to be learned here is that holding on to a grudge for three years is poisonous to the soul.
We have just been through the archives and all the messages courtesy of Crashfrog and the majority of us find that Mod, Purpledawn, Percy and any and all other members of the Moderation team did not err in this case.
Your's is not the only opinion on this matter, Rrhain. You can continue to rant and rave to your hearts content but you will not change this opinion.
There was no error. There is nothing for Mod or any other member of the Moderation staff to apologize for.
Edited by AZPaul3, : No reason given.
Edited by AZPaul3, : Addition.

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Message 294 of 424 (567798)
07-02-2010 3:31 PM
Reply to: Message 276 by Huntard
07-02-2010 10:45 AM


Re: What is the conclusion (Part B)?
Hyroglyphx writes:
If siblings want to marry, but are disallowed because it is illegal, you have to ask the question why it is illegal if they are above the age of consent. Aren't they prohibited on the basis of someone else's version of morality and not their own?
Huntard responds:
They are. And I am against that.
Genetic inbreeding can produce horrendous deformities.
Though throughout history incest was practiced regularly, its results did not go unnoticed, hence the cultural taboo.
There is a very specific scientific rational for banning incest.

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