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New Cat's Eye
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Message 3 of 60 (567311)
06-30-2010 3:06 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Practical Prodigy
06-30-2010 2:53 PM


Hello.
Why don't you describe yourself and position to us?
The typical stuff... atheist/theist, creationist/evolutionist?
What are you most and least knowledgeable about?

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Message 6 of 60 (567335)
06-30-2010 4:33 PM
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06-30-2010 4:15 PM


Re: About Me
I'm a theist, I believe in Theistic evolution.
Me too
I am most knowledgable about physics, followed by biology, then chemistry.
I know more physics and chemistry than biology. I've got a good grasp of the Theory of Evolution. I like the cosmology stuff too, Big Bang, Inflation, etc.
I've been through Genesis a lot. The Flood. The Synoptic Gospels. Some of Leviticus. I'm lacking on the history.
How's your Bible knowledge? Where do you lack knowledge the most, in general?
I have an Associates Degree in Applied Science (CIT) and a Bachelors Degree in Applied Science (Forensics)
I have a BS in Materials Science & Engineering.
Does that sum it up
Pretty much. Thanks!
Are you Christian? Which denomination?
Where are you lacking?

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Message 22 of 60 (567522)
07-01-2010 12:54 PM
Reply to: Message 10 by Practical Prodigy
06-30-2010 8:56 PM


Re: About Me
I also like atronomy and cosmology.
We have a theoretical physicist that posts here as cavediver, he's posted some really helpful explanations. Check him out.
I am pretty well versed in the Bible, my history knowledge is fairly vast I have done alot of research on most of the Books. I have also researched Pseudepigrapha, Apocrypha, and Sacred Writings such as; Book of Enoch, Book of Adam, etc.
You should come in handy in the Bible debates.
I am a nondenominational Christian. I'd say I'm lacking most in organized religion, I grew up in Roman Catholic schooling but dont hold much stock in the "Hollywood" style religion types. In my opinion it takes you from the personal relationship with God and destroys free-thinking and encourages dogma.
Makes sense. No reason to argue that here, although, how many Catholics do you think hold "much stock"
From Message 11:
My position in theistic evolution, due to the fact that I believe in the process of adaptation, mutation, etc (ie micro-evolution). I do not believe that one species will become another through macro-evolution.
Ooh... Sounds like somebody's been reading too much creationist literature That's not a position you'll arrive at from reading the biology.
There's nothing preventing a bunch of micros from resulting in a macro. Its pretty much a fact that one species can evolve into another.
I wrote up a post near that subject, Theropods and Birds showing a change in kinds, take a look and reply there.
I also believe that Evolutional Theory, which is based on philosophical naturalism,
All of science is based on methodological naturalism. Evolutionary Theory isn't based on a philosophy of naturalism and more than, say, chemistry acid/base titrations. We don't look for God in the test tube, so why look for him behind the genes?
I'm not sure of any threads discussing that one that I can refer you to.
Methodological naturalism is thus going far beyond science's proper boundaries of the observable human experience.
Maybe somewhat in some places, but not in general. I doubt anything with a consensus has gone outside the boudaries. Evolution certainly hasn't.
Proper science uses inductive reasoning from facts or general principles and causality, without excluding possibilities (supernatural or natural)
Supernatural... by science's nature of being methodological naturalism, everything it can study is by definition natural. Something truely supernatural must be excluded from science and if it ain't, then it ain't supernatural. If something you hold as supernatural does end up being studied by science, then that would mean that it really was natural the whole time.
I think the word paranormal works better when discussing the things that I think you are referring to.
Using undirected nature and unnatural intelligent causes to explain everything in the human experience leaves various phenomena unexplained (a basis for most of the content on this site). If something is not repeatable and leaves little trace or no trace of its occurance, mainstream science has a hard time dealing with it.
To which the philisophical naturalist would find no use in studying. But oh well, its his loss. Perhaps.
Evolutional theory does not nearly have all the answers it is limited in its application at best, and misleading at worst.
That diversity of life on Earth has certainly been answered. Outside of that, the Theory of Evolution doesn't apply. I think you'll find that the misleading isn't really by the scientists, but by the creationists in saying that the scientists are misleading.
You can always just propose a new topic on any one of these issues and you'll probably have plenty of people chiming in to straighten you out.
Have fun.

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Message 26 of 60 (567548)
07-01-2010 3:09 PM
Reply to: Message 23 by Practical Prodigy
07-01-2010 2:31 PM


Re: About Me
Actually there is alot of things that can stop a bunch of micro's from resulting in a macro.
A lot? Like what, in general in your own words? Just one.
Here is an interesting excerpt to show what I meant:
Its always a good ideo to provide links when you quote outside material. I found the article here:
The mutation matrix and the evolution of evolvability - PubMed
There is limits based on genetic information available in other words.
I didn't quite get that from the article. Can you explain in your own words how the article says that? What is the limit? How is it based on genetic information available?
Explain the evolution of the following features by the accumulation and selection of small mutations; hair in mammals, feathers in birds, segmentation in arthropods and of vertebrates, the transformation of gill-arches in phylogeny, including the aortic arches, muscles, nerves, etc. Further, teeth, shells of molluscs, ectoskeletons, compound eyes, blood circulation, alternation of generations, statocysts, ambulacral system of ecinoderm, pedicellara of the same, enidocysts, poison apparatus of snakes, and finally, primary chemical differences like hemoglobin versus hemocyanin, etc. I could also provide examples with plants but I highly doubt you could even cover these, look forward to the explainations ;P
Well I'm not going to go through all those here. Some of them can be explained, some of them I don't know about.
But a currently unexplained phenomenon doesn't falsify the theory, nor is any of those showing how a bunch of micros are prevented from being a macro.
Im not sure what your trying to imply. I stated that science was based on methodological naturalism and divorces anything that cant be repeatedly observed or explained through naturalism from its scope. This would leave out various phenomena that have been thoroughly proven to occur.
Like what?
There is a difference between looking for God behind something you can observe and applying a philosophic belief system of deduction and inductive reasoning to something you cant observe nor prove beyond a hypothetic theory.
Sure, but even the Theory of Evolution does not say that god has nothing to do with it.
I'm sorry but that is simply false for various reasons. Evolution has certainly gone far beyond it scope and basis as a majority of its "proof" is based on extrapolation and inference not on hard evidence.
How so?
Even in the genetic arena, which is its strongest evidence initiator, there are usally as many questions that are raised and things unexplainable or unobserved. It uses theory, inferences, and fitting available data to a theory to determine its "facts". Quite a poor way of gathering evidence and making its case, and this is coming from someone who's job it is to gather evidence and cross-reference sources. Most of the genetic data and correlations evolutional biologists provide as "missing-links" would never hold up in a court case, which in my experience is more flexible in its acceptance of scientific evidence than mainstream science is SUPPOSED to be.
Well I haven't seen any of it.
Paranormal and supernatural are synonyms and mean the exact same thing so I'm lost on your point here.
Supernatural implies that there can never be a scientific explanation while paranormal allows for one to be discovered in the future.
That applies to methodological naturalism as well, one is the basis for the other. They are not exclusive.
Philisophical Naturalism is an idea. It deals with ontology, what exists and what doesn't. Methodological Naturalism is a process. It deals with epistemology, how can we acquire knowledge about the world. They are not the same thing.
Applying Methodological Naturalism is not assuming Philisophical Naturalism. That's why I can perform chemistry expirements without considering whether god is in the test tube or not all the while taking no position on god's existence. The same goes with the Theory of Evolution... seeking a natural explanation for the diversity of life on Earth is not saying that god had no role whatsoever.
It has not been answered thats conjecture and personal opinion and there are several instances I could show to dispute that observation.
Give me just one example of something that falsifies the Theory of Evolution. Please.

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Message 29 of 60 (567567)
07-01-2010 4:19 PM
Reply to: Message 28 by nwr
07-01-2010 3:53 PM


Re: A personal opinion about this thread
He's under no obligation to reply. I'm just trying to get a better idea where he stands. Just curious.

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Message 31 of 60 (567570)
07-01-2010 5:05 PM
Reply to: Message 30 by nwr
07-01-2010 4:49 PM


Re: A personal opinion about this thread
Oh... yeah, I didn't get that either.
But, c'mon... Its Moose!

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