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Coragyps
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Message 58 of 331 (147912)
10-06-2004 8:20 PM
Reply to: Message 57 by johnfolton
10-06-2004 7:05 PM


Re: Secular?
Okay, Whatever. A start:
Presbyterian: "We conclude that the true relation between the evolutionary theory and the Bible is that of non-contradiction and that the position stated by the General Assemblies of 1886, 1888, 1889 and 1924 was in error and no longer represents the mind of our Church."
Presbyterian Mission Agency Theology and Worship | Presbyterian Mission Agency

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Coragyps
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Message 98 of 331 (180603)
01-25-2005 8:27 PM
Reply to: Message 97 by LDSdude
01-25-2005 8:21 PM


It is not impossible to teach creationism in school while keeping the first amendment.
That might be worth a thread of its own, LDSdude. I'd like to see a course outline on what you could say after "Once upon an uncertain time an unknown being/entity created all the stuff you see here by unknown means. No questions, please."
Would you start such a thread, or should I?

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Coragyps
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Message 105 of 331 (529508)
10-09-2009 4:57 PM
Reply to: Message 102 by JRTjr
10-08-2009 12:24 AM


Re: Except it does violate the 1st amendment!?
David Barton —
- is well-known to invent quotes from Jefferson and that founder bunch when it suits Barton's agenda. He's a political hack, not a Constitutional scholar. The current law of the United States, Texas included, despite our State Board of Education, prohibits teaching religion in public school science classrooms.

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Coragyps
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Message 113 of 331 (566548)
06-25-2010 9:03 AM
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06-25-2010 2:27 AM


and even a casual reading of our founding documents will show that our founding fore fathers not only believed in putting religious principle into government they weaved them into every aspect of the founding of this nation.
Yes, I've noticed how often our Constitution mentions gods.......once. In the phrase "Done in Convention by the Unanimous Consent of the States present the Seventeenth Day of September in the Year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and Eighty seven and of the Independence of the United States of America the Twelfth." That's some real "weaving," all right....
Don't read David Barton, JRTjr. It'll rot your teeth.

"The wretched world lies now under the tyranny of foolishness; things are believed by Christians of such absurdity as no one ever could aforetime induce the heathen to believe." - Agobard of Lyons, ca. 830 AD

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Coragyps
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Message 117 of 331 (566756)
06-26-2010 6:48 PM
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06-26-2010 6:03 PM


FRe: Opposite World?!?!?
From your link, JRT:
(16) The erroneous rationale of the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals in Newdow would lead to the absurd result that the Constitution’s use of the express religious reference ‘Year of our Lord’ in Article VII violates the First Amendment to the Constitution, and that, therefore, a school district’s policy and practice of teacher-led voluntary recitations of the Constitution itself would be unconstitutional.
I don't know who wrote this, but some of the "absurd" leaked out of their pen. First, the last paragraph of the Constitution preceded the First Amendment by three years or so. We try not to do retroactive laws in this country. Second, ‘Year of our Lord’ is not an "express religious reference" - it's merely a way of telling time. You will note that it is immediately followed by "and of the Independance (sic) of the United States of America the Twelfth." That's an alternate way of telling time.
"Under God" in the pledge is a whole different kettle of fish. It has no purpose in there except to chase away those scary godless pinko commies that were hiding under every other bed in 1954. Kind of like crosses and movieland Dracula.

"The wretched world lies now under the tyranny of foolishness; things are believed by Christians of such absurdity as no one ever could aforetime induce the heathen to believe." - Agobard of Lyons, ca. 830 AD

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Coragyps
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Message 130 of 331 (567691)
07-02-2010 8:40 AM
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07-01-2010 11:51 PM


Since the United States of America was founded by Christians....
Thomas Jefferson believed that Jesus was a man, only a man, with no divine nature attached. Jefferson once wrote "Among the sayings and discourses imputed to him [Jesus] by his biographers, I find many passages of fine imagination, correct morality, and of the most lovely benevolence; and others again of so much ignorance, so much absurdity, so much untruth, charlatanism, and imposture, as to pronounce it impossible that such contradictions should have proceeded from the same being."
And also "And the day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the supreme being as his father in the womb of a virgin will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerve in the brain of Jupiter."
Does he still count as a Christian? I know David Barton tries to claim him. Of course, Barton makes up fictional quotes, too.

"The wretched world lies now under the tyranny of foolishness; things are believed by Christians of such absurdity as no one ever could aforetime induce the heathen to believe." - Agobard of Lyons, ca. 830 AD

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Coragyps
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Message 196 of 331 (584329)
10-01-2010 11:41 AM
Reply to: Message 195 by JRTjr
10-01-2010 11:27 AM


Re: The Universe(s) !?!?!?!?
May I point out here the Bible states emphatically that there is something beyond this known universe.
"This known universe" being defined in the Bible as this plate-like thing we live on, the waters surrounding (and below?) it, and the stuff, including storehouses for hail, between us and the solid "firmament" above us.
Color me less-than-impressed, JRT.

"The wretched world lies now under the tyranny of foolishness; things are believed by Christians of such absurdity as no one ever could aforetime induce the heathen to believe." - Agobard of Lyons, ca. 830 AD

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Coragyps
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Message 206 of 331 (584372)
10-01-2010 2:12 PM
Reply to: Message 205 by JRTjr
10-01-2010 2:02 PM


Re: The religion of Atheism !?!?!?
Macro-Evolution has been disproved as a scientifically plausible explanation for the existence, and proliferation of life;
Start us a new thread to present that "proof," JRT. I seem to have missed it.

"The wretched world lies now under the tyranny of foolishness; things are believed by Christians of such absurdity as no one ever could aforetime induce the heathen to believe." - Agobard of Lyons, ca. 830 AD

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