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Author Topic:   Straightforward, hard-to-answer-questions about the Bible/Christianity
Theodoric
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Message 144 of 477 (549074)
03-03-2010 8:41 PM
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03-03-2010 8:24 PM


Yeah just ask these guys
Jacques Gruet
Michael Servetus
To name two among many

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

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Message 357 of 477 (562459)
05-29-2010 12:02 AM
Reply to: Message 356 by dennis780
05-28-2010 11:52 PM


Whatt!!!!
Also before the flood, the bible says that God found righteousness in Noahs generations. If they were not Christian, God would not have seen them as righteous.
Does this statement make anyone else's wackaloon meter go off?
Are you trying to say that Noah was a christian? If so please try to explain how the heck that works. Are you saying there didn't need to be a christ in order for there to be christianity?

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Message 363 of 477 (562502)
05-29-2010 10:27 AM
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05-29-2010 12:42 AM


Re: Why & how did Jesus have to die for our sins?
The only times God alowed his people to be enslaved was when they did not obey him, and he always freed them after.
But it is ok to enslave people that are not this god's people. Correct?
So it is ok to enslave non-christians(according to your definition of christianity).

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Message 365 of 477 (562574)
05-30-2010 8:03 PM
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Re: Why & how did Jesus have to die for our sins?
So your argument was that your god's chosen people were the enlightened of slave owners? Other people wanted to be slaves to the Israelites?
the form of slavery that was practiced by the isrealites was completely different to the abusive forms of slavery practiced by other nations.
I know you won't but I have to ask. Care to provide any evidence for this assertion. You really can't use that book, what's it called? or yeah the bible, because it says nothing about other contemporary slave owning societies does it.

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Message 370 of 477 (563701)
06-06-2010 3:12 PM
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06-06-2010 3:05 PM


Re: Why & how did Jesus have to die for our sins?
Slavery was not, in most cases FORCED.
Evidence please.
In fact, Kings would refer to anyone working under them as slaves, even though they were free men.
Evidence please.
Just because you say something doesn't make it true.
Even the Encyclopedia Brittanica talks about slaves, and how they produced much of the worlds cotton, and other commodities.
What does this have to do with the discussion? Your previous comments invalidate this comment as having any support for you. You acknowledge that american slavery was brutal, but now you adjust your stand because slavery produced a lot of cotton? WTF??

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Message 410 of 477 (567510)
07-01-2010 12:40 PM
Reply to: Message 409 by Artemis Entreri
07-01-2010 10:05 AM


Re: Why & how did Jesus have to die for our sins?
If the Old Testament God is a bloodthirsty, rage-filled, despicable monster of a deity who cares only for the subservience of a single tribe of humans and even less for everyone else... so is Jesus.
Nope. That is incorrect.
You are not a trinitarian?
You might want to try to explain why you think the poster is incorrect, rather than just make an unevidenced statement. Just a suggestion.

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Message 412 of 477 (567577)
07-01-2010 6:25 PM
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07-01-2010 6:17 PM


Re: Why & how did Jesus have to die for our sins?
Please don't offend me by praying to your sky god for me. I neither want it or need it.
You religious people amaze me at your insistence on claiming others are wrong, but you feel you have no need to offer an explanation or a reason a person is wrong.
It must be a heavy weight knowing all the secrets of life and existence.

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Message 414 of 477 (567581)
07-01-2010 7:18 PM
Reply to: Message 413 by Artemis Entreri
07-01-2010 6:58 PM


Re: Why & how did Jesus have to die for our sins?
What is the strawman? All I want you to do is to explain your justification for telling someone they are wrong and then feeling you do not have to explain why you claim they are wrong.
You seem to expect others to jsut accept what you say without question. You think your belief and faith gives you some sort of insight that we should all accept unquestioningly.
You ahve not given any reasoning for claiming someone is wrong all you said was they are wrong. Even apologetics gives a reason. Usually lame reasons but reason nontheless.
Unless you are willing to back up your statements with reason no one here is going to take you seriously

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Theodoric
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Message 416 of 477 (567592)
07-01-2010 8:20 PM
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07-01-2010 7:57 PM


Re: Lots of straw in Wisconsin
If the Old Testament God is a bloodthirsty, rage-filled, despicable monster of a deity who cares only for the subservience of a single tribe of humans and even less for everyone else... so is Jesus.
Nope. That is incorrect.
.
Then I asked for reasoning. Which you continue to refuse to do. I still do not see the strawman.
Oh well I guess I have to realize that you will just expect others take you beliefs unquestioningly.
I still want to know how you can separate Jesus from the actions of the cruel Old Testament mountain god.

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Message 419 of 477 (567606)
07-01-2010 9:50 PM
Reply to: Message 417 by Hyroglyphx
07-01-2010 9:11 PM


Re: Why & how did Jesus have to die for our sins?
Please don't offend me by praying to your sky god for me. I neither want it or need it.
Why is that offensive?
Because it is a condescending self-righteous thing to say.
Ask any of the agnostics and atheists on this board for an explanation or a reason for their statements and most will gladly provide one. It is only the self righteous religious who feel they do not have to justify their statements.

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Theodoric
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Message 425 of 477 (567705)
07-02-2010 9:55 AM
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07-02-2010 9:28 AM


Re: Why & how did Jesus have to die for our sins?
If it is someone I know and knows me I take it in the spirit it is meant. Though most that know me would not even say that because they know it means nothing to me.
My mother in law says it to me and I know she means it from a good place.
But when it comes from someone that does not know me at all and knows I am an atheist, like this condescending buffoon, I take great offense.
Do you want to continue to psychoanalyze me?

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Theodoric
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Message 428 of 477 (567773)
07-02-2010 2:04 PM
Reply to: Message 427 by Artemis Entreri
07-02-2010 1:33 PM


Re: Why & how did Jesus have to die for our sins?
thank God, no offense to ppl like thoedoric who are offended by thtat statment,
You truly don't get it. This is the same sactimonious, sarcastic bullshit that makes it offensive when you tell people like me that you will pray for them.
you started with the strawman, now its straight to Ad hominem. How can I know you are and athiest at the same time that I do not know you at all. you make no snese at all. and you are a huge pussy for getting offended by that.
First of all you still have not explained why asking you to back your statements is any sort of strawman. I asked for you to show me the strawman and all you do is make another claim that my posts are nothing but strawmen. But amazingly no examples. Secondly, that I told you clearly that I felt your praying for me is offensive should be more than enough for you to know you should let the subject drop. Do you not expect people to stop being offensive when you let them know you are offended. Or do you treat people with different belief systems rudely all the time.
Where is the ad hominem ? Because I mentioned to Hyro that you were self righteous religious that does not feel he needs to back up his statements? All I have done is ask you for some sort of argument to back up your claim that another poster was wrong. Your comments since then have shown a religious self righteousness.
And now you resort to real name calling. Boy you sure know how to intimidate people in a debate don't you. Well I'll tell you what, how about i say things you find offensive and call you names for pointing it out. Does that sound fair? Who are you to determine what is offensive to me? I told you I was offended by your sarcastic offer to "pray for me", that should be all that needs to be said. But instead you go the "pussy" route. I guess my comments to Hyro are amply justified now.
I am not a professional writer, there is no extra meaning in my words, if you read into them and assume my meaning, past what i typed then that is your mistake. if i put something up that is sarcastic, I will say so.
Hyro also could detect sarcasm in the post. If there was no sarcasm it was even more offensive. Your comments since then truly show that you have no regard for others beliefs or feelings. Like another poster stated that probably is not a very good way to convince people of the rightness and glory of christianity.
So how about we drop this and maybe you can quit calling me names. I know you will never answer my original request for an explanation or reasoning for your statement. I really never expected you would. If you need to resort to personal attacks, by all means, please continue. I expect nothing less.

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Theodoric
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Message 431 of 477 (567834)
07-02-2010 5:18 PM
Reply to: Message 429 by Phage0070
07-02-2010 4:44 PM


They truly don't get it.
Artemis will not see beyond his own error-less faith to understand and I think Hyro is still to close to his fundyness to see the point you are trying to make.
You have hit the nail on the head on this one. Maybe if a follower of Islam told a Christian that they would pray to Allah and Mohammad for their souls, then the Christians would understand our point. I doubt it, but maybe.
Edited by Theodoric, : Spelling

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Message 436 of 477 (567859)
07-02-2010 8:09 PM
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07-02-2010 6:21 PM


Re: Why & how did Jesus have to die for our sins?
Where is the ad hominem ?
quote:
this condescending buffoon
That wasn't an Ad Hominem. It was an observation and an insult.

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Message 441 of 477 (568548)
07-06-2010 1:58 PM
Reply to: Message 440 by Artemis Entreri
07-06-2010 12:52 PM


Re: Why & how did Jesus have to die for our sins?
Its easy for me to see why nobody likes the Jews,
Who is this nobody of which you speak? Do you feel no one likes followers of Islam also, since they are also "people of the book"? Or for that matter Christians.

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