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nwr
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Message 34 of 58 (567874)
07-02-2010 11:01 PM
Reply to: Message 33 by Peg
07-02-2010 10:51 PM


Peg writes:
However, at some point down the track, the evolutionists began to realise that the 'origin' of life itself is a different topic to the evolution that they were studying. They have since separated the two subjects into
1. Evolution - 'the changes we see in populations over time'
&
2. Abiogenesis - 'the origin of the first living things'
As far as I know, Darwin called his book "The Origin of Species". He did not call it "The Origin of Life." So it seems that evolution was already understood to be changes in populations over time. The "separation" you describe appears to be mistaken.

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Message 46 of 58 (567919)
07-03-2010 8:47 AM
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07-03-2010 2:43 AM


Peg writes:
Charles Darwin wrote in his conclusion on Page 484
"I believe that animals have descended from at most only four or five progenitors, and plants from an equal or lesser number.
Analogy would lead me one step further, namely, to the belief that all animals and plants have descended from some one prototype....Therefore I should infer from analogy that probably all the organic beings which have ever lived on this earth have descended from some one primordial form, into which life was first breathed."
Thus he is clearly distinguishing between evolution and abiogenesis.

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Message 47 of 58 (567920)
07-03-2010 8:54 AM
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07-03-2010 4:29 AM


Peg writes:
Darwins states that he believes that all living things descended from "one prototype"
i think that explains full well his belief and why the religous community objected to his theory.
As best I can tell, the religious community objects because they have this ridiculous, made up, non-biblical theology of original sin, and it was hard to square that with the idea of evolution.

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