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Phage0070
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Message 8 of 51 (567926)
07-03-2010 9:33 AM
Reply to: Message 5 by Buzsaw
07-03-2010 9:07 AM


Limitations of Science?
Buzsaw writes:
There is phenomena that science does not study. Example: Fulfilled Biblical Prophecy and the existence of higher intelligence in the universe than that of earth humans.
This is false. The SETI project has it *right in the acronym* that it is searching for intelligence other than that of earth humans. God need only radio in for science to find him.
Also, science certainly can study potentially fulfilled biblical prophecy. Science is a method that anyone passingly familiar with the method can perform (with varying degrees of quality of course). Science isn't generally applied toward this end as believers don't like the results.
Buzsaw writes:
There is phenomena that must be experienced or witnessed in order to know it exists. Example: Phenomenal (I say phenomenal answers to prayer and other manifestations of the divine known by personal experience.
See, how would you distinguish this from illusion? If something is only distinguishable from your point of view, why do you consider it likely that your particular point of view most represents the truth?
Buzsaw writes:
...encountered a wicca tribal woman who controlled the people to the extent that the missionaries could not penetrate the people until the power of God prevailed after fasting and prayer by the missionaries.
How is this unexplainable? A tribe following a different religion is somewhat resistant to a different religion, with one woman being especially influential and resistant (this would be expected for any other religion, right?). After working for a while the missionaries begin to make inroads, coincidentally while performing various religious fasts and prayer. The link between the prayer/fasting and the inroads is assumed primarily through confirmation bias rather than actual evidence of a causal link.
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Phage0070
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Message 20 of 51 (567968)
07-03-2010 3:54 PM
Reply to: Message 18 by Buzsaw
07-03-2010 3:05 PM


Re: Limitations of Science?
Buzsaw writes:
That's not how creating designers operate;
How would you know?
Buzsaw writes:
foolishly assigning the designed object created the role of dictating to the creator the role/purpose of the object created/designed.
Has anyone really been far as decided to use even go want to do look more like?
Seriously though, you claimed that science didn't study the possible "existence of higher intelligence in the universe than that of earth humans". I pointed out that it does.
Buzsaw writes:
Please cite one example of the above.
Ok. Consider Matthew 24:29-34; have the stars fallen out of the sky and a simultaneous lunar and solar eclipse occurred in the span of the generation to which the prophecy was delivered? No.
Hypothesis: This god claimed will fulfill these prophecies cannot be relied upon to actually do so. All experiments and observations in this vein have yielded results consistent with this hypothesis.
Buzsaw writes:
By the same token, how would you distinguist this from illusion? Why do you consider it likely that your particular p.o.v. most represents the truth?
What exactly do you mean by "this" in such a context? Your post? I have objective evidence that other people can see both of our posts, and that it doesn't occur completely within my own mind.
Buzsaw writes:
when encountered by the missionary, the wicca woman fell dead in the assembly of the tribe. After questioning the locals, it was determined that the woman was a couple of decades older than humans should live.
So a missionary kills a respected member of the tribe, and then that same person (who obviously has no ulterior motive) determines that this person was decades older than humans should live. So of course it totally wasn't their fault.
Or, the pressure or direct accusation of the missionary causes the tribe to suspect the woman of witchcraft, causing them to murder the woman. In order to avoid prosecution they blame is on the woman falling dead of her own accord.
How exactly do you get accurate dates on someone's age through what is almost certainly an oral history, assuming that they are tens of years older than anyone else could presumably be? What expert do they have to consider the body or assess the claims of the uneducated local tribe or the suspect missionaries?
Murders of women accused of witchcraft are common in places such as New Guinea. This story is at best simply a story, and at worst most likely an account of a murder.
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