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Buzsaw
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Message 5 of 51 (567922)
07-03-2010 9:07 AM
Reply to: Message 3 by Percy
07-03-2010 8:43 AM


Re: What are the implications?
Percy writes:
I'm curious about what people believe are the implications of unknown or inexplicable phenomena. Let's say we uncover some phenomena that we can't explain, then science studies it for years and still can't explain it. What does that mean?
There is phenomena that science does not study. Example: Fulfilled Biblical Prophecy and the existence of higher intelligence in the universe than that of earth humans.
There is phenomena that must be experienced or witnessed in order to know it exists. Example: Phenomenal (I say phenomenal answers to prayer and other manifestations of the divine known by personal experience.
Not all of the above relates to the Biblical. Example: Missionaries in churches and meetings I've attendended have spoken of experiences in the deep jungles of the islands, the contenent of Africa and South America involving what is considered evil phenomena; things like voodoo, wica, and the power of demonology etc. One example was back in the 1960s or so, missionaries commissioned to the deep jungles of New Guinea encountered a wicca tribal woman who controlled the people to the extent that the missionaries could not penetrate the people until the power of God prevailed after fasting and prayer by the missionaries.
Haiti is another example where a mix of Catholicism and voodoo has prevailed for centuries.
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Buzsaw
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Message 15 of 51 (567956)
07-03-2010 2:18 PM
Reply to: Message 6 by Theodoric
07-03-2010 9:13 AM


Re: What are the implications?
I was not responding to your message which had a different connotation. I was responding to Percy's Message 3 which had a different connotation than that in your response.
Percy asks what people believe about implications of unknown (not nessarily verifiable) nexplicable (i.e. anecdotale) phenomena.
That something is anectotale does not necessarily require that it be anectotale to someone experiencing the phenomena to an imperical degree.
I understand, for example that levitation has actually been observed by practitioner spiritualists. This has been claimed by converted apostates who have departed from spiritism into Biblical Christianity. I would not attend what I would consider demonic fellowships. Nor would likely an observing scientist. The demons are intelligent enough not to cast what they consider pearls before who they regard as swine. Their best interest is to keep whom they have under their powerful spells unimpeded by incompatible observers.
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Buzsaw
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Message 16 of 51 (567958)
07-03-2010 2:32 PM
Reply to: Message 12 by Theodoric
07-03-2010 11:29 AM


Re: Seems that most agree with me
Theodoric writes:
I was really hoping some of the "believers" would join this thread and tell us why some of theses phenomena are "unexplained". It seems there either is no one that feels that way other than Practical Prodigy, or they are not confident in their beliefs.
Hopefully Practical Prodigy will join us and develop at least some of these so we can at least see what he was talking about and what he meant.
Uh...umm... my "believer" response evidently went straight through you registering nothing in the proverbial bellfry to your liking.
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Buzsaw
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Message 18 of 51 (567963)
07-03-2010 3:05 PM
Reply to: Message 8 by Phage0070
07-03-2010 9:33 AM


Re: Limitations of Science?
Phage.... writes:
This is false. The SETI project has it *right in the acronym* that it is searching for intelligence other than that of earth humans. God need only radio in for science to find him.
Alas, Phage. That's not how creating designers operate; foolishly assigning the designed object created the role of dictating to the creator the role/purpose of the object created/designed.
Also, science certainly can study potentially fulfilled biblical prophecy. Science is a method that anyone passingly familiar with the method can perform (with varying degrees of quality of course). Science isn't generally applied toward this end as believers don't like the results.
Please cite one example of the above.
See, how would you distinguish this from illusion? If something is only distinguishable from your point of view, why do you consider it likely that your particular point of view most represents the truth?
By the same token, how would you distinguist this from illusion? Why do you consider it likely that your particular p.o.v. most represents the truth?
Buzsaw writes:
...encountered a wicca tribal woman who controlled the people to the extent that the missionaries could not penetrate the people until the power of God prevailed after fasting and prayer by the missionaries.
How is this unexplainable? A tribe following a different religion is somewhat resistant to a different religion, with one woman being especially influential and resistant (this would be expected for any other religion, right?). After working for a while the missionaries begin to make inroads, coincidentally while performing various religious fasts and prayer. The link between the prayer/fasting and the inroads is assumed primarily through confirmation bias rather than actual evidence of a causal link.
In this phenominal case, after a three day fast, when encountered by the missionary, the wicca woman fell dead in the assembly of the tribe. After questioning the locals, it was determined that the woman was a couple of decades older than humans should live. It was concluded that she was so totally empowered by the demons that when they departed, the shell/body of the woman collapsed lifeless. I attended this missionary meeting at a Christian & Missianary Alliance evening service back in the 1960s or so when he was home on furlough.
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Buzsaw
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Message 19 of 51 (567966)
07-03-2010 3:37 PM
Reply to: Message 17 by Theodoric
07-03-2010 2:38 PM


Re: Seems that most agree with me
Theodoric writes:
You did not address anything on the list.
I responded to Percy's on topic question. Apparently all you want from believers is what you think you are able to effectively counter.
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Buzsaw
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Message 29 of 51 (568297)
07-05-2010 7:56 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Theodoric
07-02-2010 11:18 PM


Capacity (psychic and spiritual)
Theodoric writes:
Capacity (psychic and spiritual)
Theodoric, I understood this on your list as anything pertaining to spiritual. Please explain what you are alluding to and what the on topic perameters are relative to this.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 32 of 51 (568383)
07-05-2010 12:35 PM
Reply to: Message 31 by Theodoric
07-05-2010 8:43 AM


Re: Capacity (psychic and spiritual)
Theodoric writes:
I was really hoping Practical Prodigy would participate, but after a flurry of initial posts, we haven't seen him in a few days. Maybe he was posting as a school assignment and hit his quota of posts.
I figured my stuff was on topic within the perameters of psychic and spiritual, but evidently Admin Moose doesn't agree. Perhaps someone will weigh in to explain.
Nothing is necessarily proven but that does not mean some within the perameters of the list don't have a measure of supportive evidence, depending on the hypothetical premises to which evidence is applied.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 34 of 51 (568451)
07-05-2010 10:33 PM
Reply to: Message 33 by Theodoric
07-05-2010 12:42 PM


Re: Capacity (psychic and spiritual)
Theodoric writes:
I agree with Admin Moose, The Bible and biblical prophecy are way off topic. Unless Prac. Prod wants to weigh in and say that was what he meant by "Capacity (psychic and spiritual)", but I think you want to just get your pet argument into the discussion and I don't want it derailed, by your unevidenced, unsubstantiated assertions. You tend to do in most other threads your participate in.
Well now, f.y.i, the psyche has to do with the soul or spirit and prophecy is a spiritual gift. Go figure. However it's your thread. I'll find something else to do. Enjoy.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 37 of 51 (568584)
07-06-2010 10:23 PM
Reply to: Message 36 by Theodoric
07-06-2010 11:52 AM


Re: Why The Thread Went Bust
Theodoric writes:
Well since you have no evidence it is just a bunch of woo.
FYI, there is no soul and no prophecy
The evidence has been cited. Check out my profile data. It goes unacknowledged by all secularists including mainline scientists who have no interest whatsoever in becoming accountable to a higher power.
I see the BB and singularity are on the list. My prophecy stuff has more verifiable evidence than either, in spite of the fact that science's interest is only in that because it circumvents any notion of ID.
The thread went bust only because you want to pick and choose who participates and what items on the list you want aired.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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