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Evolution & Abiogenesis were originally one subject.

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07-03-2010 9:35 PM 		Reply to: Message 6 by Peg
07-03-2010 9:14 PM

Peg writes:
I am merely showing that the early evolutionists did in fact view abiogenesis as a part of evolution hence why creationists can't separate the two.
If anything, the examples you give lend support to the view that early evolutionists distinguished between evolution and abiogenesis from the start. Or at least that is how I read them.
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07-03-2010 11:00 PM 		Reply to: Message 15 by Peg
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Peg writes:
but he point is that they were not simply studying how animals change over time...they were also looking at how the first living things got started on the planet and so in that sense they very much discussed both topics under the same subject.
Both are still part of biology, and both are of interest to scientists. However, the distinction was recognized from the start.
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I guess I am failing to understand why you think there is an issue here.
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07-04-2010 12:18 AM 		Reply to: Message 22 by Peg
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Peg writes:
but clearly there are a lot of creationists who continue to deny evolution based on abiogenesis and that is due to evolutionists because they have failed to 'really' separate the two subjects
That's a strange comment. Evolutionists are very clear, over and over again, that abiogenesis is not part of evolution.
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Peg writes:
to creationists who like to start at the very beginning, abiogenesis is the only beginning that evolutionists offer.
That's another strange comment. Creationists themselves believe in abiogenesis, though they insist it occurred as divine intervention rather than as a natural process.
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Most evolutionists will also consider panspermia as an alternative source of life on earth.
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07-04-2010 10:02 PM 		Reply to: Message 41 by Peg
07-04-2010 9:56 PM

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he didnt really know what he believed in regard to a creator...he was unsure and held to different views at different times.
It is better to be unsure, than to be damned sure but wrong.
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07-04-2010 10:07 PM 		Reply to: Message 37 by Peg
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Peg writes:
they are not really too similar. Creationists believe that the beginning of life was the 'creation' of living things in a fully developed form
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everything from bacteria to dinosaurs to humans were created fully developed as opposed to gradually.
However, abiogenesis still means life from non-life.
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