How can theists believe in Darwinian evolution?

Yes, I did. Sorry about that. I went off onto one of my favourite personal bugbears I'm not sure that I quite agree with you. There is such an obvious switch in Gen 1/2 from P to J (using P and J in a loose sense) - and J tends to have the fairy-tale approach. And then we get such a mish-mash of narrative styles as we progress through Genesis. There is no one stylistic shift, I agree, but I would say that there are many shifts back and forth as we progress.

There is a false dichotomy here. Simply saying that Genesis 1-11 is not poetry does not make it literal history. Indeed it seems to be quite clearly myth. And why should Christians be required to accept myth as literal truth ?

Yes, I wasn't suggesting your comments were without merit to the discussion. They are, in so much as showing that what Jar calls Christianity is nothing of the sort-but that's ok with me.I wasn't ever intending to single out Christianity in my OP anyhow, but rather simply to address those who believe in disorder and order at the same time.

I tried to be a theist. I tried hard.I failed, obviously.But certainly as a result of this experience I can explain the thinking of someone who tries to be a Christian without being obtusely wrong about easily verifiable scientific facts.Science never gave me any trouble.Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.

And even were this not so, my point still stands.You witness an earthquake or a tsunami that kills a hundred thousand people as a result of natural tectonic forces and still you believe that this is the working out of God's plan.But the idea that evolution producing the human race can also be the working out of God's plan seems outrageous to you. Why?You ridicule theistic evolutionists, but why is their thinking so much different from your own?Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.

Do you also have an address for those who believe in purple and green at the same time?I refer you to my first post on this thread.

Zoroastrians?Mutate and Survive

Well, sort of hard to plan for fravashis if there was never any certainty that life was going to create them.

Hi Bolder-dash But what you call disorder may not be disorder. Your perception could be the problem. Great. I'm a Deist: I explained it to you in Message 21.Now if you have trouble with evolution and I (and other theists) do not, then perhaps it is your particular faith that is the problem, and not the fact that evolution exists, is observed, and fully explains the diversity of life as we know it.Enjoy.

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I said that I believe that Tsunamis are the working of God's plan?Then again, No, I didn't.

An Elk is someone that is a member of a recognized chapter of the Elk Club. A mason is someone that is a member of a recognized chapter of the Masons. A Christian is someone who is a member of a recognized chapter of Club Christian.It really is that simple.

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Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

So, does one have to be or have been a member of an Elk club to be an Elk? Or can they just declare themselves to be an Elk?

Great, well at least we are getting a little somewhere.Do you mind to explain why you believe in Deism?

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those who hold a believe in a special human connection between a God, possesion of a soul and an orderly God inspired world (since he believes in none of that), while at the same time believing that all of life is random,

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For a Jew or Christian there shouldn't be an inherent conflict between randomness and God's sovereign control:

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and a purely naturalistic event, with nothing ordained, nor guided, nor organized in any way.

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I don't quite understand what you mean here. As I mentioned earlier, orthodox Christians believe that God upholds the universe every instant: In this sense, for a Christian, nothing is "purely naturalistic" or unguided or unorganized. So what do you mean above?

Which?Are they contrary to God's plan (proving that plate tectonics is more powerful than a supposedly omnipotent God)?Or are they in accordance with God's plan?Your call.Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.