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Big_Al35
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Message 16 of 485 (568490)
07-06-2010 9:31 AM


One of the key differences in creationist thinking and evolutionary thinking has not been mentioned. Creationists like to think of themselves as optimists; they believe in an afterlife, morals and good nature and that these attributes are worth pursuing. Evolutionary thinking however is very pessimistic. They believe in survival of the fittest, kill or be killed, anything goes. Success is measured in terms of still being around to see the death of all those around you.
You can see that evolution paints a horrific picture even if it is factually correct. (I am not saying that it is mind) It needs to work on its salesmanship.

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Huntard
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Message 17 of 485 (568491)
07-06-2010 9:36 AM
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07-06-2010 9:31 AM


Big_Al35 writes:
Evolutionary thinking however is very pessimistic. They believe in survival of the fittest, kill or be killed, anything goes.
I don't. And I'm an evolutionist. In fact, I don't know any evolutionist who does.
You can see that evolution paints a horrific picture even if it is factually correct. (I am not saying that it is mind) It needs to work on its salesmanship.
It's not the picture evolution paints however. Only creationists ever say it does.

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Theodoric
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Message 18 of 485 (568494)
07-06-2010 10:32 AM
Reply to: Message 16 by Big_Al35
07-06-2010 9:31 AM


The case may rest
One of the key differences in creationist thinking and evolutionary thinking has not been mentioned. Creationists like to think of themselves as optimists; they believe in an afterlife, morals and good nature and that these attributes are worth pursuing. Evolutionary thinking however is very pessimistic. They believe in survival of the fittest, kill or be killed, anything goes. Success is measured in terms of still being around to see the death of all those around you.
You can see that evolution paints a horrific picture even if it is factually correct. (I am not saying that it is mind) It needs to work on its salesmanship.
This one post here confirms the whole premise of the OP. It is even a good example of Poe's Law in action. You are becoming a parody of yourself.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

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Dr Adequate
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Message 19 of 485 (568496)
07-06-2010 10:35 AM
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07-06-2010 9:31 AM


Evolutionary thinking however is very pessimistic. They believe in survival of the fittest, kill or be killed, anything goes. Success is measured in terms of still being around to see the death of all those around you.
You can see that evolution paints a horrific picture even if it is factually correct. (I am not saying that it is mind) It needs to work on its salesmanship.
One obvious difference between "selling" evolution and selling a commercial product such as soap and automobiles is that in the world of business it is not considered permissible for the competition to tell lies about one's product.
If creationist propagandists could ever attain to the standard of morality and decency set by Madison Avenue hucksters, then evolutionists would have no difficulties in appealing to a wider market.
Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.
Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.

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Big_Al35
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Message 20 of 485 (568501)
07-06-2010 10:56 AM
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07-06-2010 10:32 AM


Re: The case may rest
If every thought I had about evolutionists confirms that I think that they think like creationists then where will the contributions to this debate come from. Do you only want evolutionists to post? After all a creationist can't think correctly right?

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Coragyps
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Message 21 of 485 (568503)
07-06-2010 11:06 AM
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07-06-2010 10:56 AM


Re: The case may rest
After all a creationist can't think correctly right?
I'll bet that you are capable of thinking just fine, Big Al. (Not "correctly," though. That sounds like something Chairman Mao endorsed.) But you are so terribly misinformed and/or ignorant about what the evolution side of the debate actually says that it muddles things up......

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Big_Al35
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Message 22 of 485 (568504)
07-06-2010 11:10 AM
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07-06-2010 11:06 AM


Re: The case may rest
Coragyps writes:
But you are so terribly misinformed and/or ignorant about what the evolution side of the debate actually says that it muddles things up
Ahh...so you do want only evolutionists to post. That's fine with me.

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jar
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Message 23 of 485 (568507)
07-06-2010 11:15 AM
Reply to: Message 22 by Big_Al35
07-06-2010 11:10 AM


Re: The case may rest
Except of course, no one said that they only wanted evolutionists (whatever that is) to post. You are welcome to post just as anyone else is welcome to post.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Theodoric
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Message 24 of 485 (568508)
07-06-2010 11:17 AM
Reply to: Message 20 by Big_Al35
07-06-2010 10:56 AM


Re: The case may rest
Read what others have posted. What you claim "evolutionists" think is wrong.
What does one get when one reads this.
One of the key differences in creationist thinking and evolutionary thinking has not been mentioned. Creationists like to think of themselves as optimists; they believe in an afterlife, morals and good nature and that these attributes are worth pursuing. Evolutionary thinking however is very pessimistic. They believe in survival of the fittest, kill or be killed, anything goes. Success is measured in terms of still being around to see the death of all those around you.
You can see that evolution paints a horrific picture even if it is factually correct. (I am not saying that it is mind) It needs to work on its salesmanship.
That "evolutionists" are evil and immoral. Creationists are moral and good.
Do you realize evolution is not a moral code or lifestyle?
Evolution is the change in the inherited traits of a population of organisms through successive generations. It says nothing about kill or be killed. Do you know that Social darwinism is not actually part of the TOE. Totally differnet things. Social Darwinism is a misnomer.
Anyone can understand the TOE. Any religion. Christians, Moslems, Hindus, Sihk. Non-religious too. The TOE does not call for an adherence to any moral code. It is a SCIENTFIC THEORY. Nothing more, nothing less.
When you post the crap you do saying that "evolutionists" have no morals and we stand for something horrific, I rightfully get mad. If you find offense at that tough shit. I will not stand idly by as you insult me.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

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Big_Al35
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Message 25 of 485 (568510)
07-06-2010 11:23 AM
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07-06-2010 11:17 AM


Re: The case may rest
Theodoric writes:
When you post the crap you do saying that "evolutionists" have no morals and we stand for something horrific, I rightfully get mad. If you find offense at that tough shit. I will not stand idly by as you insult me.
Good grief...I think I touched a nerve!

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Dr Adequate
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Message 26 of 485 (568511)
07-06-2010 11:24 AM
Reply to: Message 20 by Big_Al35
07-06-2010 10:56 AM


Re: The case may rest
If every thought I had about evolutionists confirms that I think that they think like creationists then where will the contributions to this debate come from. Do you only want evolutionists to post?
You're free to post rubbish, and we're free to mock you for doing so.
After all a creationist can't think correctly right?
Apparently not. But you'll never know unless you try.

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tomato
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Message 27 of 485 (568512)
07-06-2010 11:25 AM
Reply to: Message 17 by Huntard
07-06-2010 9:36 AM


Theodoric, thank you for informing me about Poe's Law.
(That is, that fundamentalism is so ridiculous that a parody of fundamentalism can be mistaken for the real thing.)
I've never heard of it before.
The law can work in reverse, too.
The first time I saw the Banana Guy video, I thought surely that it was a parody.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 28 of 485 (568514)
07-06-2010 11:25 AM
Reply to: Message 25 by Big_Al35
07-06-2010 11:23 AM


Re: The case may rest
Good grief...I think I touched a nerve!
That's the usual consequence of telling unpleasant lies about people, yes.
Why the air of surprise?
Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.

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Coragyps
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Message 29 of 485 (568515)
07-06-2010 11:26 AM
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07-06-2010 11:10 AM


Re: The case may rest
Ahh...so you do want only evolutionists to post.
Where did I say or imply that?
Ignorance is quite fixable, Big Al. And you can be pretty entertaining to attempt to educate. Stay around!

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Message 30 of 485 (568516)
07-06-2010 11:30 AM
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07-06-2010 9:31 AM


Creationists like to think of themselves as optimists; they believe in an afterlife, morals and good nature and that these attributes are worth pursuing.
As do many evolutionists, being that 30% of biologists are theists of one sort or another. Also, atheists and agnostics also believe in morals and good nature and think they are worth pursuing.
They believe in survival of the fittest, kill or be killed, anything goes. Success is measured in terms of still being around to see the death of all those around you.
Survival of the fittest is simply what happens just like gravity and the transmission of infectious diseases (that good ol' Germ Theory). What nature does in no way informs us of what we ought to do. Success is measured in living a fulfilling life.

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