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Big_Al35
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Message 46 of 485 (568605)
07-07-2010 5:38 AM
Reply to: Message 45 by Huntard
07-07-2010 5:23 AM


Huntard writes:
And what exactly is so terrible about those questions?
If there is nothing wrong with these questions then I guess you wont mind me asking for a source for the following quote.
tomato writes:
We are told that God is infinite in love.

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Huntard
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Message 47 of 485 (568606)
07-07-2010 5:47 AM
Reply to: Message 46 by Big_Al35
07-07-2010 5:38 AM


Big_Al35 writes:
If there is nothing wrong with these questions then I guess you wont mind me asking for a source for the following quote.
tomato writes:
We are told that God is infinite in love.
Of course I don't, the source for that quote is Message 41 by tomato. If you want to know where he got it, I suggest asking him. Though I suspect it's from some Christian website or another.

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Big_Al35
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Message 48 of 485 (568608)
07-07-2010 6:05 AM
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07-07-2010 5:47 AM


Of course I don't, the source for that quote is Message 41 by tomato. If you want to know where he got it, I suggest asking him. Though I suspect it's from some Christian website or another.
Thank you for that....utterly pointless but thank you.

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Big_Al35
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Message 49 of 485 (568610)
07-07-2010 6:33 AM
Reply to: Message 42 by tomato
07-06-2010 11:38 PM


tomato writes:
I did a quick Web search and found that Obama was an Evolutionist. I said that the White people in the United States had better watch out, because they are going to be sent to the gas chambers any day now.
A quick websearch from me revealed that Obama believes that evolution and creation are not incompatible. Actually he believes in both.
Secondly, you appear to be indicating that evolutionists are bad people in your second sentence. Theodoric might have something to say about that. You don't want to get him angry, you wont like him when he's angry.

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Huntard
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Message 50 of 485 (568611)
07-07-2010 6:56 AM
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07-07-2010 6:33 AM


Big_Al35 writes:
Secondly, you appear to be indicating that evolutionists are bad people in your second sentence.
No Big_Al35, he did not. That was a response to people like you who think that evolutionists are evil people. Please for the love of your god, do something about this reading comprehension problem.

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Big_Al35
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Message 51 of 485 (568615)
07-07-2010 7:22 AM
Reply to: Message 50 by Huntard
07-07-2010 6:56 AM


That was a response to people like you who think that evolutionists are evil people
This one post here confirms the whole premise of the OP if you interchange the terms evolutionist and creationist. It is even a good example of Poe's Law in action. You are becoming a parody of yourself.

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Modulous
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Message 52 of 485 (568616)
07-07-2010 7:29 AM
Reply to: Message 42 by tomato
07-06-2010 11:38 PM


The rules state that everyone in the forum should be courteous to everyone else.
But they only enforce that rule one way; the Creationists can be as rude as they want to be.
On the other hand, nearly every Evolutionist gets banned for no discernable reason.
I got banned after writing over 100 posts, which is good compared with how most of the other Evolutionists fared.
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I did OK I was permanently banned for posting too much, and I think 'equivocation' was cited too.

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Huntard
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Message 53 of 485 (568617)
07-07-2010 7:30 AM
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07-07-2010 7:22 AM


Big_Al35 writes:
This one post here confirms the whole premise of the OP if you interchange the terms evolutionist and creationist. It is even a good example of Poe's Law in action. You are becoming a parody of yourself.
Do you enjoy plagiarizing people? I guess that's all that's left if you can't think of a valid response yourself.

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Percy
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Message 54 of 485 (568620)
07-07-2010 8:00 AM
Reply to: Message 44 by Big_Al35
07-07-2010 5:04 AM


BigAl35 writes:
I don't mean to be rude but you are typical of how evolutionists think. "let's see some documentation". Other typical quotes from evolutionists include "where's the evidence", "prove it", "show me one person who" etc etc....
I'm shocked, shocked, to discover that there are people thinking scientifically around here!
Come on, Al, tell us the truth. You're really an evolutionist with an odd sense of humor, right? Please tell us that they're aren't really creationists out there who would say something as ignorant as that.
But if you're serious then try naming something we know is true that we have no evidence for. You can't do it. The only way we could ever gain any confidence in something we know is by supporting evidence.
Creationism's claim is that it is every bit as much science as evolution and deserves equal treatment as science in the classroom, but if you really believe that then don't you think you need to know what science is and how it works?
--Percy

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Theodoric
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Message 55 of 485 (568625)
07-07-2010 9:00 AM
Reply to: Message 44 by Big_Al35
07-07-2010 5:04 AM


tomato writes:
Big Al, if you know of any Evolutionist who said or wrote that "anything goes," then let's see some documentation.
I don't mean to be rude but you are typical of how evolutionists think. "let's see some documentation". Other typical quotes from evolutionists include "where's the evidence", "prove it", "show me one person who" etc etc....
So you have no documentation. This is, again, something you pulled out of your ass. I, for one, am not surprised at all.
OH and you are ok with people stating things and having nothing to back themselves up.
No wonder creos and fundies continuously fall for lame investment schemes. Are you "investing" in any of the HYIP schemes out there. I know a few of your like minded folk that have or are. Funny how not having critical thinking skills can have a huge negative impact on one's life.
P.S.
Are the lame personal attacks going to continue? They are getting quite old. Could you please highlight at the beginning of your post that you are going to post an attack. That way I don't read them and get upset.
Thanks.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

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tomato
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Message 56 of 485 (568626)
07-07-2010 9:24 AM


****Hello, Big Al!****
Turn it around: suppose that it were the Evolutionists putting words in the mouths of Creationists. Wouldn't you ask for documentation?
I grew up in a church in which the congregation recited an Affirmation of Faith which reads We believe in God the Father, infinite in wisdom, power and love.
http://www.auburn.edu/~allenkc/affirm.html
http://www.c-m-e.org/core/Sacred_Creeds.htm
Let me go over that Obama argument one more time with a fine tooth comb:
That argument is a reductio ad absurdum, or an exposition of what would happen if the opponent's claims were true.
Firstly, the Creationist on the evolutionfairytale site said that any Evolutionist elected to a high office would behave as Hitler did.
If that Creationist's claim were true, then the following Socrates-is-a-man syllogism would also be true:
MAJOR PREMISE: All Evolutionists elected to high offices act like Hitler.
MINOR PREMISE: Obama is an Evolutionist elected to a high office.
CONCLUSION: Therefore, Obama acts like Hitler.
I am not saying that this argument is true, I am merely saying that it WOULD be true IF that Creationist's statement were true.
In other words, I am arguing from the following modus tollens operation:
MAJOR PREMISE: If the Creationist's statement is true, then Obama will send all the White people to the gas chambers.
MINOR PREMISE: Obama will not send all the White people to the gas chambers.
CONCLUSION: Therefore, the Creationist's statement is true.
Of course, we cannot be absolutely sure yet.
We will have to wait the whole four years and see.
****Hello, Huntard!****
Thanks.
****Hello, Modulous!****
246 posts? You exceeded my record by a wide margin.
Congratulations!
****Hello, Percy!****
I don't remember the name Adam Nagy, but I could have seen it and forgotten.
Watch out, you might commit a Corollary of Poe's Law offense.
At first, I wondered if Big Al was an Evolutionist playing the Devil's advocate, but I don't think anyone has enough imagination to make up a character like him.
He's gotta be the real thing.

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Big_Al35
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Message 57 of 485 (568627)
07-07-2010 9:25 AM
Reply to: Message 55 by Theodoric
07-07-2010 9:00 AM


Theodoric writes:
OH and you are ok with people stating things and having nothing to back themselves up.
I'm fine with that. You seem to think that creationists should think like evolutionists.

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Huntard
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Message 58 of 485 (568628)
07-07-2010 9:34 AM
Reply to: Message 56 by tomato
07-07-2010 9:24 AM


tomato writes:
MAJOR PREMISE: If the Creationist's statement is true, then Obama will send all the White people to the gas chambers.
MINOR PREMISE: Obama will not send all the White people to the gas chambers.
CONCLUSION: Therefore, the Creationist's statement is true.
Would the conclusion here not be that the creationist's statement is false? Am I missing something here?
****Hello, Huntard!****
Thanks.
No problem mate.

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Big_Al35
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Message 59 of 485 (568629)
07-07-2010 10:04 AM
Reply to: Message 56 by tomato
07-07-2010 9:24 AM


tomato writes:
Turn it around: suppose that it were the Evolutionists putting words in the mouths of Creationists. Wouldn't you ask for documentation?
You make it sound like one of us is an illegal immigrant who needs papers to prove their status. Either you believe the creationist is an illegal alien or you believe that the evolutionist is the bogus asylum seeker. As a creationist I would say it is the evolutionist who needs to display his green card while you are arguing that it is the creationist who needs to show his right to indefinate leave to remain.
Neither approach is helpful.

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jar
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Message 60 of 485 (568630)
07-07-2010 10:10 AM
Reply to: Message 59 by Big_Al35
07-07-2010 10:04 AM


Did you say:
Big_Al35 writes:
One of the key differences in creationist thinking and evolutionary thinking has not been mentioned. Creationists like to think of themselves as optimists; they believe in an afterlife, morals and good nature and that these attributes are worth pursuing. Evolutionary thinking however is very pessimistic. They believe in survival of the fittest, kill or be killed, anything goes. Success is measured in terms of still being around to see the death of all those around you.
Is that an exact quote of what you posted?

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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