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Theodoric
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Message 61 of 485 (568631)
07-07-2010 10:13 AM
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07-07-2010 9:25 AM


I just want to be clear
Again you seem to reinforce what this thread is all about.
You would believe an unevidenced assertion over an evidenced claim that is in direct contrast if your evidenced claim is something that is part of your religion?
Here is how "evolutionists"(I hate how creos use this term, like people that adhere to scientific principles are one monolithic block that has all the same beliefs and outlook on life. It isn't a religion) think. We think critically. We want to see evidence. If there is no evidence then the belief should be at least questioned and evidence should be looked for it and against it.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

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Message 62 of 485 (568638)
07-07-2010 11:39 AM
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07-07-2010 9:25 AM


You seem to think that creationists should think like evolutionists.
How do evolutionists think, in your opinion? Please keep in mind that about 30% of biologists world wide believe in some form of a creator god and an afterlife.

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Message 63 of 485 (568641)
07-07-2010 12:41 PM
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07-06-2010 11:38 PM


I've registered over there at evolutionfairytale. I've only posted a few things and started to see what was actually going on, so I backed out slowly. It is amazing to see them in their natural habitat.

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Message 64 of 485 (568665)
07-07-2010 2:52 PM
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07-07-2010 9:25 AM


Big_Al35 writes:
You seem to think that creationists should think like evolutionists.
The essence of evolutionist - i.e. scientific - thinking is that they discard ideas that don't match reality. If creationists thought like that, there wouldn't be any creationism.
Edited by Ringo, : "throw out" --> "discard" (more explicit)

I rode off into the sunset, went all the way around the world and now I'm back where I started.

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Larni
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Message 65 of 485 (568671)
07-07-2010 3:28 PM
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07-06-2010 1:01 PM


Good to see you back.

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Big_Al35
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Message 66 of 485 (568720)
07-14-2010 10:37 AM
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07-07-2010 11:39 AM


Taq writes:
How do evolutionists think, in your opinion? Please keep in mind that about 30% of biologists world wide believe in some form of a creator god and an afterlife.
Yes, I think there maybe some closet creationists here. Sounds like you maybe one of them....eh?

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Theodoric
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Message 67 of 485 (568746)
07-14-2010 4:03 PM
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07-14-2010 10:37 AM


How did you get
Big_Al35 writes:
Yes, I think there maybe some closet creationists here. Sounds like you maybe one of them....eh?
out of
Taq writes:
How do evolutionists think, in your opinion? Please keep in mind that about 30% of biologists world wide believe in some form of a creator god and an afterlife.
I do not see how you could derive that from what little was said. Is Poe's law striking again?

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

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GDR
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Message 68 of 485 (568790)
07-17-2010 8:31 PM
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10-16-2009 5:47 PM


Evolution is agnostic
tomato writes:
Since religion answers every question for many Creationists, they might assume that Evolution answers every question for Evolutionists. Evolution takes no stand on whether or not God created the Universe, but some Creationists have trouble understanding this.
I also think that one of the reasons that evolution becomes an anti-theistic point of view is that there are those evolutionists that use evolution to explain all of existence. Here is a Dawkins quote.
quote:
The theory of evolution by cumulative natural selection is the only theory we know of that is in principle capable of explaining the existence of organized complexity.
If evolution is viewed simply as the manner in which life has become what it is today then there is no problem. If however evolution is viewed as the fundamental basis for life itself then it is just as much a faith as is creationism and the two are no longer compatible.
In my view this is one reason why uninformed creationists vehemently oppose evolution as they see it as denying any theistic position. People like Dawkins do a good job of perpetuating that misconception.
Evolution is a solidly based theory that portrays the history of life today. It has nothing to say about whether evolution is designed or even a guided process.
In the end obviously theology and science have to be congruent. Science is at its essence simply a natural theology.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 69 of 485 (568793)
07-17-2010 8:52 PM
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07-07-2010 5:38 AM


If there is nothing wrong with these questions then I guess you wont mind me asking for a source for the following quote.
You're welcome.

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nwr
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Message 70 of 485 (568794)
07-17-2010 9:11 PM
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07-17-2010 8:31 PM


Re: Evolution is agnostic
GDR writes:
Science is at its essence simply a natural theology.
I have never been able to find that kind of essence in science.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 71 of 485 (568796)
07-17-2010 9:27 PM
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07-07-2010 5:04 AM


I don't mean to be rude but you are typical of how evolutionists think. "let's see some documentation". Other typical quotes from evolutionists include "where's the evidence", "prove it", "show me one person who" etc etc....
Paying people unsolicited compliments is certainly the best way to avoid being rude.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 72 of 485 (568798)
07-17-2010 9:31 PM
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07-07-2010 9:25 AM


OH and you are ok with people stating things and having nothing to back themselves up.
I'm fine with that.
Ah, yes, creationism.
You seem to think that creationists should think like evolutionists.
And that people who think they're Napoleon should think like people who don't.

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GDR
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Message 73 of 485 (568800)
07-17-2010 9:40 PM
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07-17-2010 9:11 PM


Re: Evolution is agnostic
nwr writes:
I have never been able to find that kind of essence in science.
It just seems to me that if our science is correct then it should have something to tell us about a creator should one exist. That's how I see it anyway.

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nwr
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Message 74 of 485 (568801)
07-17-2010 9:44 PM
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07-17-2010 9:40 PM


Re: Evolution is agnostic
GDR writes:
It just seems to me that if our science is correct then it should have something to tell us about a creator should one exist.
There are probably many people who agree with that. But it is a personal conclusion, and not a required part of science. So I think "essence" was the wrong term for you to use.

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Coyote
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Message 75 of 485 (568804)
07-17-2010 9:56 PM
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07-17-2010 9:40 PM


Re: Evolution is agnostic
It just seems to me that if our science is correct then it should have something to tell us about a creator should one exist. That's how I see it anyway.
Different field entirely.
Science has chosen to work with natural phenomena, so why should it be telling you about supernatural phenomena?
For that you need to turn to the approximately 4,000 world religions, or if you prefer, the approximately 40,000 sects, denominations, or flavors of Christianity.

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.

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