Creationists think Evolutionists think like Creationists.

Agreed

I'm not suggesting that science will necessarily help you choose between different faiths, (although it might), I'm just saying that the study of the creation might give us clues about the creator.I imagine that someone arrive here from some distant planet might be able to tell something about us by taking apart my old Buick.

"He has a inordinate fondness for beetles."

Has it yet? Has any evidence been unconvered which definatively shows that a supernatural creator exists?I am sure there are many theistic scientists who would, in a heart beat, produce evidence for a supernatural creator. How as of yet this has not been the case. Yes, but your Buick is not the subject of naturally-occuring biological evolution. Rubber, plastic, and metal do not naturally bond to each other over time to form a car.

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"It is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring." - Carl Sagan, The Demon-Haunted World

He must love them. He made 'em. Heck, he even loves you. Go figure.

And flesh-destroying bacteria.

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"It is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring." - Carl Sagan, The Demon-Haunted World

Nope True but presumably you believe that lifeless atoms and molecules bonded to each other over time to form you all on their own.

Science can easily evaluate some of the claims of particular faiths; for example, the young earth belief and the global flood about 4,350 years ago claim have both been devastated.But wouldn't you need to establish the existence of a creator before you could learn from that creator's creation?

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Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.

Please do not presume what I do or do not believe. I don't believe or disbelieve this. I have no knowledge of abiogenesis. In this realm we are equally ignorant. Which is why I am still an agnostic.

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"It is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring." - Carl Sagan, The Demon-Haunted World

I think he's talking about embryology.

I am not going to pretend there are easy answers. I believe that God is just as saddened by this as any of us.One thought that I have though is this. If this life is all there is that poor little guy is going to live with that horrible disease his whole life. If however God is going to do what the Bible says and give us new eternal bodies in a new heaven and new earth then it isn't as tragic.

Not really. Just like science. Scientists nowadays hypotheisize that gravitons exist and then go out and see what they can learn about them. Let's just hypothesize that a creator exists and see what can be learned.

Sorry. No offence intended.

That is like saying a psycopathic and deranged father is saddened after after dousing his house with gasoline and then who then gives his 4 year old a match. The father then tells his child not to light the match and that the child would be given a reward if he obeyed him. The father then steps out of the house. The inevitable happens and the house goes up in flames with the child inside. The parent then shakes his head and says "I told him not to do it", "I even offered him a reward and said that he would not die if he did not light the match". Now who is the evil bastard in this story? According to Christians, it is the child.If one is omniscient (all knowing), omnipresent (all powerful or unlimited/infinite power) and omniscient (all being or the ability to be everywhere at once) than he has no moral excuse to create something like flesh-eating bacteria, leporasy, polio, AIDS, small pox, malaria that literaly have killed hundreds of millions of men, women and children. All because Adam and Eve ate a fruit. Wow, talk about overkill. That would be like you punishing your unborn grandchildren to death because your 4 year old spelt a glass of milk on your new cashmere sweater. Wow, what a pretty insensitive and cruel thing to say. So basically you are saying it is ok that God in his foreknowledge and the ability to prevent this disease/ailmant from occuring in the first place, does nothing to prevent the incruciating pain and literal physical torture of innocent children because in the end they will have new bodies in heaven. The supposed promise of a new body in no way takes away the physical/emotional/and psychological pain, agony and outright torture these people and the families endure when they are stricken with these diseases/ailmants.You ever here the term "The end does not justify the means"? I think that is pretty apropos here.So it is ok these kids are stricken with the below ailmants since they will get new bodies.There are worse pictures of diseases and ailmants I could post of children and adults, however for the sake of preserving their dignity I won't. These are some pretty horrible and gruesome diseases designed and created by your "loving" god.Edited by DevilsAdvocate, : No reason given.

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"It is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring." - Carl Sagan, The Demon-Haunted World

You really don't think anyone is doing this? There are a lot of scientists out there who are religious and believe in God. In fact, many famous scientists used this very rationale to learn about the world around them in the last several thousand years of scientific investiigation. However, the existence of God cannot be assumed scientifically, when one does not provide emperical evidence that supports this hypothesis. Wishful thinking does not make good scientific evidence, though it may make a good reason for conducting science. Even gravitons lie in the realm of hypothsesis, not grounded theory, until solid evidence is provided of their existence.Furthermore, the very definition of God existing outside of our dimension of spacetime, aka his supernatural existance vs our existence in a natural universe, presupposes that he can remove any evidence of his existance at will from our physical universe and thus mask himself from our scientific query thus making this point moot.Edited by DevilsAdvocate, : No reason given.Edited by DevilsAdvocate, : No reason given.

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"It is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring." - Carl Sagan, The Demon-Haunted World