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Message 6 of 90 (569883)
07-24-2010 2:36 PM

I was disappointed by the video. I had heard that Hugh Ross was "the only honest creationist" but in the video, he comes across a lot like Kent Hovind.
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07-24-2010 6:23 PM 		Reply to: Message 9 by Flyer75
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Flyer75 writes:
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Ringo writes:
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I had heard that Hugh Ross was "the only honest creationist"
As a YEC, I have no use for Ross.....and most creationists that I read don't either.
As far as I'm concerned, there's little or no difference between OEC and YEC. They're both anti-scientific and fundamentally dishonest. According to something I read somewhere sometime, Ross was the only known exception - but there goes another bubble burst.
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07-24-2010 6:47 PM 		Reply to: Message 12 by subbie
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I'm afraid the closest we're going to get to that is Kurt Wise.
Aha! *light comes on* That's probably who I was thinking of. In that case, I'm no longer disappointed and the bubble is repaired - until somebody posts a video of Kurt Wise.
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Message 25 of 90 (569960)
07-24-2010 8:24 PM 		Reply to: Message 14 by Flyer75
07-24-2010 6:49 PM

Flyer75 writes:
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Ringo, there is a difference between an OEC and a YEC. One believes that there are millions of years in Genesis when it's not stated, one goes by what the first two chapters of Genesis says....
That's like saying there's a difference between the guy who thinks he's Napoleon and the guy who thinks he's Teddy Roosevelt. They both have the same problem, delusion.
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OECs and YECs both have the delusion that science is wrong and they are right. There are only minor differences in the delusion.
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Message 38 of 90 (570072)
07-25-2010 11:53 AM 		Reply to: Message 32 by Bolder-dash
07-25-2010 3:59 AM

Re: thats some lie
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Because they disagree with you, they must be lying?
The ones who continue to deny the evidence after it's been shown to them are liars. At best, they're lying to themselves. The ones who don't bother to look at the evidence at all but just blather denial on the internet are willfuly ignorant.
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Hugh Ross appears to be the former.
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Bolder-dash writes:
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You have proof for the existence of this universe, that the "liars" are denying?
We're not talking about the existence of the universe. We're talking about evolution. And we're not talking about "proof". We're talking about evidence.
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07-26-2010 1:27 AM 		Reply to: Message 45 by kbertsche
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Re: thats some lie
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But where, specifically, is he "lying" about origin of life research?
As I said:
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At best, they're lying to themselves.
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Hint: It's a general statement, not directed at a specific frame in the video.
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Edited by Ringo, : Fixed quote.
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07-26-2010 1:37 AM 		Reply to: Message 46 by Bolder-dash
07-26-2010 1:16 AM

Re: thats some lie
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Specifically, what "evidence" are all creationists ignoring, that constitutes lying?
You've been given examples in numerous topics. If you want to start a specific topic on it, I'm sure people will be happy to provide a lot more.
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Bolder-dash writes:
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You are not saying that a few examples of bacterial mutations must be enough to convince everybody on the planet that Darwinian evolution must be correct or they are liars are you?
No, I'm not talking about a "few examples of bacterial mutations". I'm talking about the thousands that you ignore. And no, I'm not talking about Darwin. Move into the twenty-first century. And no, I wouldn't expect any amount of evidence to convince people who have such an anti-science agenda.
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Edited by Ringo, : Corrected missspelling.
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