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Author Topic:   Where are all the gods?
Dr Adequate
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Message 33 of 122 (567138)
06-29-2010 6:41 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Jumped Up Chimpanzee
06-28-2010 12:12 PM


My guess is that they've given up on this universe as a bad job, and wish to completely disassociate themselves from the whole embarrassing fiasco.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 46 of 122 (568492)
07-06-2010 10:00 AM
Reply to: Message 43 by riVeRraT
07-06-2010 12:54 AM


Hasn't that story always struck you as monstrously implausible? I mean, the Jews get to see the plague of blood, the plague of frogs, the plague of lice, the plague of flies, the plague of livestock, the plague of boils, the plague of hail, the plague of locusts, the plague of darkness, the death of the firstborn, the parting of the Red Sea, the rain of manna, the miracle of Horeb, the pillar of smoke by day and fire by night ... and they remain profoundly unimpressed. Yahweh, they think, is not so much, and they needn't worry about pissing him off by making their own god and worshiping that.
Meanwhile, today, when God never shows up (and you get all offended if someone suggests he might think to put in an appearance once in a while) this same god has 2.2 billion worshipers based just on something they read in a book. Which is rather less impressive.
And you suggest that the Jews "forgot all the things God did for them"? Two million of them? Damn, if only they'd had diaries back then, then at least one of them could have made a note of it: "Memo to self: don't piss Yahweh off. THIS IS IMPORTANT".
Now, accepting for the sake of argument the magical elements of the Exodus story, does the behavior of the Jews sound remotely like anything anyone would ever actually do? It's more implausible than the miracles themselves.
As G. K. Chesterton wrote:
It really is more natural to believe a preternatural story, that deals with things we don’t understand, than a natural story that contradicts things we do understand. Tell me that the great Mr Gladstone, in his last hours, was haunted by the ghost of Parnell, and I will be agnostic about it. But tell me that Mr Gladstone, when first presented to Queen Victoria, wore his hat in her drawing-room and slapped her on the back and offered her a cigar, and I am not agnostic at all. That is not impossible; it’s only incredible. But I’m much more certain it didn’t happen than that Parnell’s ghost didn’t appear; because it violates the laws of the world I do understand.
Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 69 of 122 (569067)
07-20-2010 4:53 AM
Reply to: Message 66 by riVeRraT
07-19-2010 10:28 AM


I don't take the stories of the OT as fact.
Me neither. But then why refer to the events in Exodus if you don't think that they actually happened?
Well I don't get offended, you just made that one up.
You wrote:
Asking Christians why God doesn't prove His existence, is the biggest hypocritical comment for an atheist to say.
When people say that, they sound like pre-programmed robots from college.
To me, this sounded a little testy.
To this day, I see the Jews (hasidic jews) living in a weird way. They dress the part, and have all these dam rules, but then cheat and steal and lie to our government.
What, all of them?
Even if you don't believe in God, isn't loving people the RIGHT thing to do? How deep is that love? Can you forgive?
Yes. But I see no evidence for a supreme ruler of the universe who agrees with me on this.
It's about knowing that you do not need to go to a temple to be in God's presence like the OT. The temple is you.
Unfortunately, I also appear to be the contents of the Ark of the Covenant.
It would be jolly nice if the universe was ruled by a supreme and adorable King who was Love and Mercy and Wisdom and Truth all wrapped into one. It just doesn't look that way, does it?
If someone told you that the mayor of your city was all-powerful within the city limits and that his policies were perfect and could not be improved upon --- then when you'd finished laughing, you'd show him the local paper, wouldn't you?
Well, I'm in a similar position with regards the universe. Except for having no evidence that the "mayor" of the universe exists in the first place.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 74 of 122 (570040)
07-25-2010 7:36 AM
Reply to: Message 73 by Phat
07-23-2010 9:27 AM


Re: Cleveland
God is, by definition, omnipresent, omnipotent, and infinitely wise.
This gives rise to a logical contradiction.
* If God was omnipresent, he would be in Cleveland.
* If God was omnipotent, he wouldn't have to do anything he didn't want to.
* And if God was infinitely wise, he wouldn't want to be in Cleveland.

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