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Dr Adequate
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Message 5 of 109 (570300)
07-27-2010 12:36 AM
Reply to: Message 2 by Bolder-dash
07-27-2010 12:20 AM


Secondly, I have stated again and again some of the great flaws of your theory, namely that demonstrating the mechanisms by which evolution occurs over long periods of time, particularly in regards to creating new and unique body plans, is something that evolutionists are not able to do.
The mechanisms of evolution are mutation, selection, drift, lateral gene transfer, recombination, etc, and their existence is easy to demonstrate.
Now of course, virtually every evolutionist on this site will pull out the same BS card of simply saying its all in a magic book, and well if you knew anything about biology (bullshit, I know about biology) without citing that proof, so the argument then becomes virtually impossible to get to the heart of. They claim this is a valid argument, simply because they can repeat it again and again ad nauseum (just wait they will do it here again!
You're very fond of this lie, aren't you?
I wonder whom you hope to deceive by it.
I predict Dr.A to be the first).
Let me instead be the first person on this thread to tell you that since there is no such thing as magic, there is no such thing as a "magic book".
Of course, there are some people on this forum who will tell you that the most fundamental questions of biology can be answered by a book which was magically "inspired" by a magical invisible being who lives in the sky, and which if they were right might therefore be described as a "magic book"; but of course I am not one of those people.

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Message 9 of 109 (570307)
07-27-2010 12:45 AM
Reply to: Message 7 by Meldinoor
07-27-2010 12:38 AM


Let's allow him to fully formulate an argument before we attack it.
I'll be kinda busy if that that ever happens --- I'm planning to round up a few buddies and go ice-skating in Hell.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 16 of 109 (570315)
07-27-2010 1:37 AM
Reply to: Message 13 by Bolder-dash
07-27-2010 1:07 AM


So the obvious point is that if this is the standard method by which all functioning body plans came to be, then these types of slightly beneficial mutations must be quite abundant throughout species populations ...
They're not just abundant --- most of them have also become fixed. In some cases, hundreds of millions of years ago.
Secondly, if one is going to now use this argument for your ToE you then have to acknowledge that all this time when you were arguing that it was point mutations and the like, causing these beneficial mutations, you were completely wrong, and thus much proffer some apologies.
If you can find someone who denies such things as gene duplication, chromosome duplication, polyploid speciation, and lateral gene transfer, then I will make him apologize to you.
The changes must be small in the sense that one can't get a fundamental co-ordinated saltation in anatomy --- from an ordinary theropod to a modern bird, for example. But there is no need for them to be small as measured by the number of affected bases of DNA.
Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.

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Message 25 of 109 (570327)
07-27-2010 2:30 AM
Reply to: Message 20 by Bolder-dash
07-27-2010 2:12 AM


Certainly nowhere near as long as the thousands or hundreds of thousands of years that your side claims is necessary for these small incremental changes to take hold in a population.
That's not what our side claims, that's something you made up.
You know how every now and then people suggest to you that you should learn something about biology? Well, this is exactly the sort of dumb mistake that knowing something about biology would save you from making.
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Dr Adequate
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Message 29 of 109 (570359)
07-27-2010 7:51 AM
Reply to: Message 27 by Bolder-dash
07-27-2010 5:54 AM


And then if we waited another very long time (or as Dr. A wants to suggest we only have to wait less than 40 years ...
Please do not lie about what I "want to suggest".
Don't you ever worry ... you know ... that God might exist and that he might disapprove of liars?
we would see those same creatures now, all with the light patches, and even more fortunately some of them have gotten a little depression in their bodies, EXACTLY where that little light patch happens to be, and amazingly enough that little depression (I mean little depression in animals bodies happen mutationallly all the time I guess right) ALSO happens to provide a small little concave surface which helps focus the light every so slightly more, such that now those with the depression are even better at navigating than those without the depression. Mutations are much more fortunate now in this scenario than we first thought. But don't worry, there will be more of these fortunate little depressions. And then after than a cornea will pop up. And some time after that, rods will pop up, and then cones, and then a retinal nerve, and then of course an iris and then a pupil..or will it be a pupil first, and then an iris?
But of course we are just getting started, because two of them will certainly be better than one. And if they are perfectly symmetrical, so much the better. I wish we could also get a tear duct. Whoa, viola! You got it. Would you like an eyelid? great. It will help if that eyelid is extremely rapid, so rapid that it can move at the speed of a blink. And you know what, its not just one form of liquid we get to luck into our tear ducts, its two!! Bonus time.
So ... you don't know anything about the evolution of the eye? Or, apparently, how the eye works.
Really, you think that a concave eyepatch would focus light? Good grief.
We could of course go on and on with these fortunate beneficial mutations which are so rare, but let's return to the present for now. Where are these light sensitive patches that pop up now and again like they used to during the pre-Cambrian?
Still here. Which is why there is no pressure for them to evolve again.

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Message 105 of 109 (571023)
07-29-2010 5:24 PM
Reply to: Message 100 by Jumped Up Chimpanzee
07-29-2010 11:41 AM


The mechanism for common ancestry is reproduction - and I'm sure you've seen the evidence for that yourself.
Or maybe he's a storkist.

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