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Message 55 of 109 (570619)
07-28-2010 12:58 AM
Reply to: Message 54 by Bolder-dash
07-28-2010 12:52 AM


Remember, each of the steps have to be significant enough to allow some type of reproductive advantage.
No, they don't. Neutral mutations happen all the time that accumulate in populations. Deleterious mutations even get passed on from time to time if they're not too deleterious.

Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct before reason can act upon them; and no man ever had a distinct idea of the trinity. It is the mere Abracadabra of the mountebanks calling themselves the priests of Jesus. -- Thomas Jefferson
For we know that our patchwork heritage is a strength, not a weakness. We are a nation of Christians and Muslims, Jews and Hindus -- and non-believers. -- Barack Obama
We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat
It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate

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Message 59 of 109 (570623)
07-28-2010 1:19 AM
Reply to: Message 56 by Bolder-dash
07-28-2010 1:03 AM


Its ok with me if you also want to name a few examples of what you prefer to call a "neutral" mutation that you see in modern creatures that you feel is suitable as a building block for a completely new system.
Sorry, can't. The ToE is very good with the past, and quite helpful with the present, but I'm not aware of anyone making reliable predictions about future evolutionary changes. I'll happily look at any examples that anyone else wants to post, but I've never heard of any.
What I will do, just for fun, is show you a past example that I'm sure you'll ignore. But what the heck, maybe there's a thinking person out there reading this who will learn when it's put in front of them.
This shows how jaw bones became bones in the ear.

Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct before reason can act upon them; and no man ever had a distinct idea of the trinity. It is the mere Abracadabra of the mountebanks calling themselves the priests of Jesus. -- Thomas Jefferson
For we know that our patchwork heritage is a strength, not a weakness. We are a nation of Christians and Muslims, Jews and Hindus -- and non-believers. -- Barack Obama
We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat
It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate

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Message 71 of 109 (570681)
07-28-2010 9:44 AM
Reply to: Message 68 by Bolder-dash
07-28-2010 4:32 AM


We can't even begin a discussion until you provide a citation to just one of these multiple studies that you keep alluding to. I've asked you twice for a citation and so far the response has been a deafening silence.
Third time's the charm? I doubt it.

Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct before reason can act upon them; and no man ever had a distinct idea of the trinity. It is the mere Abracadabra of the mountebanks calling themselves the priests of Jesus. -- Thomas Jefferson
For we know that our patchwork heritage is a strength, not a weakness. We are a nation of Christians and Muslims, Jews and Hindus -- and non-believers. -- Barack Obama
We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat
It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate

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Message 72 of 109 (570686)
07-28-2010 10:00 AM
Reply to: Message 60 by Bolder-dash
07-28-2010 2:47 AM


Is so!

Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct before reason can act upon them; and no man ever had a distinct idea of the trinity. It is the mere Abracadabra of the mountebanks calling themselves the priests of Jesus. -- Thomas Jefferson
For we know that our patchwork heritage is a strength, not a weakness. We are a nation of Christians and Muslims, Jews and Hindus -- and non-believers. -- Barack Obama
We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat
It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate

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Message 77 of 109 (570724)
07-28-2010 1:24 PM
Reply to: Message 73 by Bolder-dash
07-28-2010 10:54 AM


I am reserving judgment for you.
And I am reserving judgment until you provide a citation to some experiments supporting your position. The ball's in your court, Chuckles.

Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct before reason can act upon them; and no man ever had a distinct idea of the trinity. It is the mere Abracadabra of the mountebanks calling themselves the priests of Jesus. -- Thomas Jefferson
For we know that our patchwork heritage is a strength, not a weakness. We are a nation of Christians and Muslims, Jews and Hindus -- and non-believers. -- Barack Obama
We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat
It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate

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Message 106 of 109 (571040)
07-29-2010 6:45 PM
Reply to: Message 101 by ringo
07-29-2010 11:44 AM


To this day, when somebody claims to be an honest fool instead of a smart crook, I usually take his word for it.
Of course, the unfortunate thing is that most creos fall into a different category entirely, a dishonest fool.

Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct before reason can act upon them; and no man ever had a distinct idea of the trinity. It is the mere Abracadabra of the mountebanks calling themselves the priests of Jesus. -- Thomas Jefferson
For we know that our patchwork heritage is a strength, not a weakness. We are a nation of Christians and Muslims, Jews and Hindus -- and non-believers. -- Barack Obama
We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat
It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate

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