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Author Topic:   TOE and the Reasons for Doubt
crashfrog
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Message 506 of 530 (570770)
07-28-2010 6:53 PM
Reply to: Message 504 by barbara
07-28-2010 6:32 PM


Re: cell reproduction- New Tree
Science has not learned enough yet to state that what defines evolution now will not change in the future.
Yes, it has. Evolution will always proceed on primarily the basis of random mutation and natural selection, just as it always has.
This unbelievable notion that one must choose sides in this debate of religion/evolution with no other alternatives to choose from simply because no other theories will be accepted is corrupt and self motivated.
I guess you don't have to "choose sides", but one side is supported by an incredible weight of scientific evidence - more than for any other theory - and the other is supported only because it's consistent with one narrow view of Christianity.
The decision doesn't seem all that hard, I guess. There are no scientific alternatives to evolution because there don't need to be - the theory is robust, well-substantiated, and capable of explaining all biological observations that have ever been made. Why do you need an alternative?

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crashfrog
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Message 515 of 530 (571048)
07-29-2010 7:24 PM
Reply to: Message 514 by Bolder-dash
07-29-2010 7:14 PM


Re: cell reproduction
What the ID argument says is that you don't know.
We disprove that argument by knowing.
But, of course, you've just called Taq's argument a "fallacy" - and then made the exact same argument! Astounding.
And as long as you don't know, your theory is not robust, and does not deserve the status of being the only theory taught in schools
You act like we ennoble theory by teaching it in schools - that it's somehow the highest status a scientific theory can aspire to, to be taught to disinterested 11-year-olds who'd rather be playing Xbox. I think that's completely and stupidly backwards - it should be our schoolchildren that we ennoble, by making sure they learn the best possible science, not science watered down and polluted by an anti-intellectual religious agenda.
And yet your side fights every time their is a challenge to have that taught.
We already teach the strengths and weaknesses. The "weaknesses" of the theory your side wants to teach aren't weaknesses, they're lies. ID proponents want the legal privilege to lie to children. Can you explain why the should have it?
But you have absolutely no way of telling us what those supposed other purposes for each small unit was.
Sure we do - we can observe the function of those units in today's living organisms. Every claim of "irreducible complexity" put forth by the ID "research program" has been rebutted with living examples.

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crashfrog
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Message 524 of 530 (571065)
07-29-2010 11:23 PM
Reply to: Message 518 by Bolder-dash
07-29-2010 9:18 PM


Re: cell reproduction
If someone is going to take the stance that all things are impossible that they don't believe in, then ok, live with your own narrow mind, that is not my problem.
"It's good to have an open mind, but not so open that your brains fall out." - Richard Dawkins
Openmindedness is one thing, but if you're so credulous that you don't require any evidence at all before you're willing to believe in people who claim to have psychic powers, or who can miraculously heal your illnesses, or can see the future, or do other things that are too good to be true, you're just opening yourself to being conned by hucksters and scammers.
You need to exercise some skepticism, Bolder, if only for your own protection. What are you going to do the next time you see a Miss Cleo ad on TV? Don't you see how your credulity could make you a target?
If you want to find out about studies of paranormal activity, feel free to go study it, read some books.
Which books? Please be specific - author and title, please.
They are AGAINST teaching both the strengths AND weaknesses of the theory-even though polls show that 3/4 of all Americans are for this.
We're against lies being told in science class. That's the only thing we're against. It's not the role of legislators to dictate how or what science should be taught to children. Schoolchildren deserve the best science education, not made-up silliness like ID and creationism.

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crashfrog
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Message 525 of 530 (571067)
07-29-2010 11:27 PM
Reply to: Message 523 by Bolder-dash
07-29-2010 10:25 PM


Re: Don't go away mad, just go away
Here is one reason for doubt, you have no evidence!!!!
You may recall I presented a significant amount of evidence for evolution, which you ignored.

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