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Author Topic:   How do scientists explain the cause of the Ice Age(s)?
Coyote
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Message 8 of 96 (548165)
02-25-2010 11:44 PM
Reply to: Message 6 by slevesque
02-25-2010 11:07 PM


What??????
A biblical flood, however, would most probably cause an ice age as you mentioned.
The biblical flood is placed by biblical scholars about 4,350 years ago.
The most recent ice age ended well over 12,000 years ago.
Please explain these two vastly separate ages.
Also, please explain why you can believe in a biblical flood when the biblical flood as described in the bible has been disproved by scientific data.
Even my own humble archaeological research has disproved the flood myth, as written.
Alternatively, if you believe the bible over any data to the contrary, please explain why you are posting in the Science Forum?

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.

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Message 29 of 96 (571241)
07-30-2010 10:09 PM
Reply to: Message 27 by Buzsaw
07-30-2010 9:14 PM


Re: Hypothetical great flood - How does such lead to an ice age?
You people who continually deny the possibility of the flood consistently fail to factor in the implications of a Biblical pre-flood planet and atmosphere relative to radiometric dating metholody. You are assuming a relative uniformity which necessarily assumes the impossibility of a global flood.
We fail to factor in the implications of a biblical pre-flood planet and atmosphere because there is no evidence for such. There are early tribal myths variously interpreted to suggest these factors, but no empirical evidence.
On the other hand, we have good evidence from around the world telling us what the climate was really like for the past 50,000+ years.
We don't have to assume uniformity--there are a number of ways we can read the data directly. No assumptions needed! Tree rings, glacial varves and cores, and coral growth are just a couple of these methods. We also have a lot of different types of sediment cores to cross-check the above methods.
Here's a test: if there was a global flood about 4,350 years ago you should have evidence in your back yard. Everybody should. That time period is very easy to find in either sediments or archaeological deposits. Unfortunately for your position there is no evidence for a flood of global magnitude in these deposits. Study some archaeology or sedimentology or a similar field and start exploring your back yard and see what you find!
Oh, and you can also test to see if there was an ice age since 4,350 years ago. That should be easy too with a little study of paleobotany, pollen analysis, or similar subjects. Plants are quite sensitive to changes in temperature and you should be able to find a record of the ice age pretty easily in your own neighborhood--if it's there.
So quit preaching your tribal myths to us and go out there and learn some science so that you can bring us some actual data.

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Message 50 of 96 (605767)
02-22-2011 12:13 AM
Reply to: Message 49 by Robert Byers
02-22-2011 12:07 AM


Its just been wrong interpretations about basic facts and processes from those not first accepting biblical boundaries.
And when "basic facts and processes" show the bible to be horribly wrong?
What then?
For example, your comments:
I see this age as coming about the years 2100 BC to 1900 BC and lasting till about 1700 BC or so.
i speculate there was a great upheaval some centuries after the flood , these dates, and part of it was a great volcanic outporing up and down the spine of North/South America and elsewhere.
This changed the climate, like a nuclear winter, and brought about the cool and rainy climate that we now call the ice age.
...are hopelessly wrong.
Now what do you do? Just ignore facts and pretend the bible is accurate?
Or is this where the "interpretation" comes into play?
Edited by Coyote, : Add missing word

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Message 65 of 96 (606147)
02-23-2011 11:11 PM
Reply to: Message 64 by Robert Byers
02-23-2011 10:51 PM


Studies on mega floods show almost all formations in sediment or bedrock are from fast flowing water. That is the votices and other mechanisms within the flow. even Drumlins are seen now as from mega floods.
Try this site for examples that contradict your statement:
http://www.uwsp.edu/...ticipants/dutch/vtrips/scablands0.htm
And here is one picture from that site:
ps. The global flood ca. 4,350 years ago is a tribal myth that has been disproved in many ways, beginning about 200 years ago. Even my own research disproves that flood myth. (Ask me how, if you dare.)

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