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Author Topic:   Creationists think Evolutionists think like Creationists.
Bolder-dash
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Message 381 of 485 (571592)
08-01-2010 1:12 PM
Reply to: Message 380 by Percy
08-01-2010 12:37 PM


Re: Getting back on topic...
Since you are not the moderator on this thread, I am going to have to remind you to please stay on topic and discuss the thread. Please don't derail the discussion further.
Now, about how "creationists think evolutionists think", I think most creationists think that evolutionists just don't have the proper reasoning skills to understand two sides to an argument, and further they are so locked into their dogma, that really most of the time, they practice a sort of preaching to the choir sort of closed minded mentality about the whole evolution topic.
Perhaps most evolutionists in school were simply taught that this is the way life is, and since that was all they were taught, and never really got a very rounded education, they basically stop thinking shortly after junior high school. Perhaps one can blame this on the evolutionists themselves for never really pursuing the subject more themselves and having an intellectual curiosity, and perhaps part of the fault is also the public school systems for not teaching a well rounded curriculum. Although in truth I suppose the curriculum was decided by the evolutionists; so it falls back to them.
At least this is what I think about how evolutionists think.

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Bolder-dash
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Message 383 of 485 (571594)
08-01-2010 1:31 PM
Reply to: Message 382 by crashfrog
08-01-2010 1:17 PM


Re: Getting back on topic...
Ok, well that is an interesting opinion. Noted.
I am still of the lack of a well-rounded education opinion. I also think that one reason why evolutionists are so close minded and not very contemplative is because perhaps somewhere along the way, during their sequestered education, they were perhaps subtly brain-washed by a modern scientific community that is less about seeking truth and more about getting their funding, and fostering their atheistic cultism. You can see a lot of evidence for this in the rabid way they gather like attack dogs to chase away any academics who actually have as their agenda seeking the truth, and not the ideology of the modern scientific mafia.
Again, just my opinion.

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Bolder-dash
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Message 389 of 485 (571602)
08-01-2010 1:50 PM
Reply to: Message 384 by Theodoric
08-01-2010 1:33 PM


Re: I know it is silly to even ask
Yea, sure, thanks for asking.
I see this rabid dog mentality in the way they ganged up on eminently qualified scientists like Guillermo Gonzalez, who was inexplicably denied tenure at ISU, and how they fought to oust Richard Sternberg, a double PHD evolutionary biologist, and teacher Caroline Crocker. I also see it in the way they attempt to silence discourse, like by protesting against Academic Freedom laws, as well as how they have taken over Wikipedia sites and filled them with Nazi worthy evolutionist propaganda. And of course its also pretty easy to see the attack mentality on this website as well.
There are of course many many other examples of this kind of orchestrated muzzling of the search for truth-but those are the ones I can think of off the top of my head. I am sure you could read a lot more of it..well, except that they often hide the books about subjects they don't like at the major books stores, but if you are determined enough you can find it through the underground networks.
I do have to give them credit though, they have been pretty resourceful and impressive in the way they have distorted so much information- this is one area where they seem very skilled to me.

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Bolder-dash
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Message 391 of 485 (571605)
08-01-2010 1:55 PM
Reply to: Message 387 by jar
08-01-2010 1:43 PM


Re: Getting back on topic...
Ok Jar, well all intriguing points for sure. You are saying that Christians have always supported the ToE as the best explanation for the diversity we see all about us?
Well, you could be right there. I know from my experience, many Christians are more open and honest than the evolutionists I know, so you could be completely correct. Especially the one's who are simply seeking to find out the truth-which of course isn't easy in this day and age.

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Bolder-dash
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Message 393 of 485 (571607)
08-01-2010 2:01 PM
Reply to: Message 390 by Percy
08-01-2010 1:53 PM


Re: Getting back on topic...
Ok, got it. So your opinion is that creationists are just projecting.
Well its a unique perspective anyway.
But it still doesn't really explain the way that evolutionist attempt to squelch academic freedoms, and try to get people with opposing viewpoints fired, and hijack Wikipedia, and try to isolate students from hearing the truths, in a fashion that would make Stalin proud.
But, ok, its your opinion. Even if you are part of that establishment.

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Bolder-dash
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Message 394 of 485 (571608)
08-01-2010 2:04 PM
Reply to: Message 392 by jar
08-01-2010 2:00 PM


Re: Getting back on topic...
Because that's my opinion.
Oh, and because of the massive effort they have utilized to try to monopolize the scientific world.

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Bolder-dash
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Message 400 of 485 (571615)
08-01-2010 2:26 PM
Reply to: Message 399 by Theodoric
08-01-2010 2:17 PM


Expelled?
On the contrary, I like learning new things. Thanks. I have been trying to learn new things but all the evolutionists brownshirts keep hiding all the books at the books stores.
What is Expelled? Never heard of it.
Anyway, do you have any theory about why evolutionists intentionally alter Wikipedia to suit their cultism?

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Bolder-dash
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Message 404 of 485 (571620)
08-01-2010 2:36 PM
Reply to: Message 402 by Chiroptera
08-01-2010 2:32 PM


wikipedia hijacking
Well, at least we agree on one aspect. The evolutionists definitely control Wikipedia.

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Bolder-dash
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Message 406 of 485 (571622)
08-01-2010 2:42 PM
Reply to: Message 405 by Chiroptera
08-01-2010 2:40 PM


Re: wikipedia hijacking
I am sure they are convinced they are rational anyway.
I hear the Nazis were also convinced of this. In fact, by the looks of it, they acquired a lot of their propaganda skills probably training somewhere in Eastern Europe.

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Message 416 of 485 (571678)
08-01-2010 11:08 PM
Reply to: Message 410 by subbie
08-01-2010 3:00 PM


suspending for giving opinion?
Well, this is a very interesting view you bring to the table subbie. That I should actually be SUSPENDED for my opinions about the topic of how creationists think evolutionists think. Its a most interesting and revealing point I must say.
For instance, I have not seen anyone suggesting that a other posters in this thread be suspended for the following:
-For most creationists, there is little understanding of how science actually works and that might be a symptom of poor education.
-they devised "creation science" with which to deceive the courts and the public that their opposition to evolution was "purely scientific" (a lie they have frequently used).
-That's when I realized that they don't think at all like we do! We're trying to construct an integrated and self-consistent world-view by learning all we can about the world; everything we learn needs to fit together for it all to make any sense. They're not trying to build a consistent world-view; they're just attacking science.
-One obvious difference between "selling" evolution and selling a commercial product such as soap and automobiles is that in the world of business it is not considered permissible for the competition to tell lies about one's product.
If creationist propagandists could ever attain to the standard of morality and decency set by Madison Avenue hucksters, then evolutionists would have no difficulties in appealing to a wider market.
-When you post the crap you do saying that "evolutionists" have no morals and we stand for something horrific, I rightfully get mad. If you find offense at that tough shit. I will not stand idly by as you insult me.
-You're free to post rubbish, and we're free to mock you for doing so.
-Well, now that you brought it up, there does seem to be a major failure on the part of creationists in the critical thinking department. And "logic," with the exception of the circular kind, does seem to escape the majority of them all together. Combine these with the creationist propensity to ignore so many millions of facts and you may indeed be correct; a creationist can't think correctly.
-Now, most rank-and-file creationists are just plain ignorant about evolution and accept without thought the creationist lies that they are fed; they simply regurgitate those lies without knowing what they are doing. But many active creationists do know what they are doing and that they are using lies.
-No wonder creos and fundies continuously fall for lame investment schemes. Are you "investing" in any of the HYIP schemes out there. I know a few of your like minded folk that have or are. Funny how not having critical thinking skills can have a huge negative impact on one's life.
P.S.
Are the lame personal attacks going to continue? They are getting quite old. Could you please highlight at the beginning of your post that you are going to post an attack. That way I don't read them and get upset. (isn't this one truly trult ironic?)
-If you can spend even as little time here has you have a not be aware of this basic fact about science, I'm afraid there's really very little hope of you ever learning anything useful. Maybe you should start looking for a tin cup and some pencils.
-Oh, come on, stop playing dumb, everyone is commenting about your comprehension problems. It's not like they aren't as obvious as all get out.
-It does seem to be typical of creationists that they think everybody is partisan just because they are, that everybody will jump on the bandwagon just because they do. If they have no repsect for anybody else's intelligence or integrity, is it because they have none of their own? Maybe they think intelligence and integrity don't exist.
-You've made it abundantly clear that it is the creationists like you who lack any sort of curiosity. Intellectual curiosity is not equivalent to guileless credulity.
Hmmm...but perhaps I should be banned for giving MY opinion of how creationists think evolutionists think?
But oh, the blastphemy I have committed!
percy writes:
"I hadn't observed this side of Bolder-dash before, but now I'm aware of it."
Uh oh, I better be careful..Percy is now aware. I am being monitored.
Very interesting point that you bring up though subbie-that I should be banned.
Point noted.

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Bolder-dash
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Message 418 of 485 (571683)
08-01-2010 11:30 PM
Reply to: Message 417 by subbie
08-01-2010 11:16 PM


Re: suspending for giving opinion?
I saw what you wrote.
I gave my opinion of how I think evolutionists think. And that is followed by you asking why I haven't been banned. And that was followed by Percy saying, Oh I haven't seen this side, but I am aware of it now. i.e "I will be watching. "
Your point is very clear.

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Bolder-dash
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Message 419 of 485 (571685)
08-01-2010 11:35 PM
Reply to: Message 415 by crashfrog
08-01-2010 10:30 PM


Re: Getting back on topic...
Please provide evidence for those claims of your background. We can't just take your word for it here on EvC.

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Bolder-dash
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Message 421 of 485 (571689)
08-02-2010 12:15 AM
Reply to: Message 420 by crashfrog
08-02-2010 12:02 AM


Re: Getting back on topic...
Oh, I understand you don't care whether I believe you are not.
I am simply saying that there are others here who feel that you HAVE to provide this information, or else you are in violation of the rules, and as such are in danger of being suspended for violating the rules.
Of course, this is what they say, but we both know the real reason they want to ban some-so I don't think you have to worry about it. You are not a creationist.

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Bolder-dash
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Message 424 of 485 (571708)
08-02-2010 1:22 AM
Reply to: Message 423 by Dr Adequate
08-02-2010 1:18 AM


Re: suspending for giving opinion?
Please substantiate your opinion. I believe that was his point.
Also please avoid breaking the rules any further.
Rule #4
Points should be supported with evidence and/or reasoned argumentation. Address rebuttals through the introduction of additional evidence or by enlarging upon the argument. Do not repeat previous points without further elaboration. Avoid bare assertions.

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