When does design become intelligent? (AS OF 8/2/10 - CLOSING COMMENTS ONLY)

Hi Dr, From We do it better. provided by Dr Adequate. It doesn't seem like we can do that yet.A CD able to store 650 million megabytes.A DNA cell stores 1500 megabites.1 gram of human cells store 1,500,000,000,000 megabites of information.A CD weighs 15 grams, and could contain 650 million megabites of information.When compared to 15 grams of human cells which store 22,500,000,000,000 MB. That is 22 trillion 500 billion megabites of information.Something don't compute.Something there tells me the Intelligent Designer did a better job that our scientist hope they can accomplish sometime in the future.God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

Hi Huntard, If they were so intelligent 100 years ago why did they bleed people when they got sick to make them get well?If they were so intelligent 100 years ago why didn't they have supercomputers?I don't see the reasoning you are employing. What did we do better than the Intelligent Designer?Do you believe everything you read?Sometimes it would pay to do your own research.God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

Hi Ringo, But DNA is the only molecule that I can find that science tells me contains coded information that has the blueprint for that living thing to reproduce itself. Who's being dishonest?I know you have been saying all along that all molecules contain information.I have not been able to find scientist who agree with you. Maybe you could source some that I can read what they say.Why would I need to explain why they wouldn't need information. If they need information then they need information.But only living things contain DNA which contains the information for that particular living thing to reproduce its self.Do water molecules need information to reproduce themselves?Do rocks need information to reproduce themselves?Do snowflakes need information to reproduce themselves?I don't think so. Why do I have to know what the information in DNA looks like?All I have to do is accept that science says there is information there that contains all the instructions that the particular living thing the DNA is in to reproduce its self.You can accept or believe whatever you desire.God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

Hi Percy, The random mutation generator that Perry has is simply a generator that mutates information.If you read my posts you noticed I said that a mutation in DNA only get through the correction process ever 1 billion processes.I do have a program that is supposed to mimic random mutations and natural selection.But the code is coded in a very biased format. One that would not take place in the wild.My point is if the information in DNA has to mutate for change in a species to take place, how can one byte or 60 bytes of information being changed cause a mutation that would make skin cells sensitive to light to cause an eye to begin to exist?And the biggest question I have is how did the DNA information in the first living life form that contained DNA begin to exist ?It is a known fact information is produced by a mind.Is there any other way information can begin to exist other than information being processed?

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

Hi DrJones, Does that mean they were as intelligent as we are today?God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

Hi DrJones, Do you mean to tell me we have not evolved above the earliest mankind known to exist. They just didn't have the knowledge we do. Is that what you are saying.I thought the IQ of humans had increased in the last 50 years.I do know that intelligence and knowledge are not the same thing.Intelligence is the ability and capacity to learn information which is knowledge.Does everybody posess the same Intelligence?If so why do we have college graduates that can not speak in a complete sentence?God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

Hi Huntard, If I remember correctly they did not stop bleeding people until 1925 when it was discovered that the life of the flesh was in the blood. If they had the Intelligence of humans today why did they not gain the knowledge and create the means? I am not confusing intelligence and knowledge.Intelligence is the ability and capability of an individual to acquire knowledge which is information.All minds are not capable of the same things nor do they have the same capability. You did quote Dr Adequate when you made the statement "we did it better than him" and added than him.His source says that it is not possible yet to even do what the claims are that is made.God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

Hi Ringo, Where Have I ever claimed to understand anything that was not written in the Bible?I have claimed the sources I provided states there is information contained in DNA.They also state that information is transfered from inside the nucelus of the cell by mRNA to the ribsome outside the nucelus to create the protein needed.They also state that the information contained in the DNA contains the complete blueprint for the living being it resides in.Now if you want to refute what they say don't expect me to argue the point with you. Which is what you are trying to get me to do.God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

Hi Dr, How does a computer store information?Hard drives store information, CD's, DVD's, memory sticks and other media stores information including books film, records, tapes etc.None of those are a computer.The hard drive can be attached to the computer as well as a CDRW or DVRW which can read and write information to media.While a computer is running information can be stored in the memory also.The CPU processes information and instructs the different media to store that information or present it on the monitor.Remove the CPU from the motherboard and you have nothing but a bunch of mechanical components that can do nothing.It took some very intelligent men to invent and build all these different components with the abilities they have.Yet the most fasinating piece of equipment known to mankind came about by random mutation and natural selection.How did the human mind begin to exist without any intelligent creator involved? If I said a computer program computed information I mispoke and misrepresented the facts. Then enlighten me as to what a CPU does, and where it gets information from. How does a CPU know what the real world is?How does a computer program know what the real world is like? Please don't hold your breath but we will work on it.God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

Hi crash, Thanks for all the information. So we agree then that information can come from a mind.Now if you could just inform me how and what information does not come from a mind I would appreciate it.God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

Hi crash, I am aware that all the cells contain two copies of the same information.Which does not effect the storage space available in human DNA that is in a body.Am I correct when I say that a single cell is the average size of 10 m with the mass of 1 nanogram?Would I be correct to say that the DNA is contained in that cell and is not the entire cell?Would I be correct to say that the DNA is so small you would have to have a powerful microscope to view it?How many of those strings would be required to contain as much information as a 2 TB hard drive which holds 1,000,204 MB?What would the mass of those DNA strings be?The size of a 2 TB hard drive are: Height 1.028 Inches
Length 5.787 Inches Width 4.00 Inches Weight 1.32 PoundsWould I be correct to say that the mass size of the DNA required would be 1334 m?Would I be correct to say that mass size would be smaller than 10 of the largest human cells which is found in the spinal cord?Would I also be correct to say that if you could unwind all the DNA in a human body it would reach to the sun and back 70 times?Would I be correct to assume that something with less than the mass of 1334 m containing the same amount of information as a mass of 1.028" x 5.787" x 4.00" have better engineering?Would I be correct to assume that the intelligent designer that designed the small footprint storage media would be a superior designer to the one who designed the large footprint storage media?Now if any of my numbers or figureing is wrong please correct me.God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

Hi bluegenes,The chicken came first. You will get no argument from me there.We only disagree in where that original information came from.I believe it was provided by an intelligent creator.If I am not mistaken you believe it began to exist because of random mutations and natural selection.My question would be where did whatever it was that first mutated which would need to be information came from?God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

Hi crashfrog, 1 cell = 1 nanogram1 billion nanograms = 1 gram1 billion cells would contain 750 billion megabytes.Sorry I was not more specific.God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

Hi Percy, But I only presented it as a random mutation generator. I could not erase the line at the bottom of the frame that says, " Do your own Darwinian Evolution experiments with the Random Mutation Generator -"I was looking for an online random mutation generator and found this one and was using it as random mutations not being able to help in the formation of usable information.After looking at the site I will have to spend some time reading it after I get back from vacation to see what he has to say about information.God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

Hi DrJones, If everybody today does not posess the same Intelligence doesn't it stand to reason that those people of 100 years ago didn't posess the same Intelligence of each other or the same Intelligence of people today?I know we have knowledge today that they did not have. But someone had to come up with that knowledge. Intelligence is the ability and capacity to obtain knowledge even if we have to discover it.God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."