banning burqas

Even if true is that any reason to ban something?

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Identification is one.There are specific incidences that i can see banning the burka. One is in a government job when dealing with the public, Another is when driving, and the third would be going into a bank.. (security).Not in a government installation might also be a good reason.

If you live in a society with laws to protect against such things as sexual discrimination, as I do, then obviously the answer is "YES".Don't they have equality laws in Texas?

Sorry but again I don't see how it is a matter of sexual discrimination.Now if there was a law mandating that women wear burqas then that would be sexual discrimination.

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Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

As one of the links in the OP suggested, you're insulting the intelligence of the women who wear the burqa. You don't get to decide that each and every woman who wears it is being oppressed. And banning it does nothing to address all of the other real oppression that women are subjected to.

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Life is like a Hot Wheels car. Sometimes it goes behind the couch and you can't find it.

It's also interesting that many folk find skimpy bathing suits and push up bras demeaning and dehumanizing but I don't see a push to ban them. Now I do remember burn the bra and also the San Diego Miniskirt which was about as skimpy as you can get.

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Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

Because it is specifically women who are told to wear these garments. If it were specifically black people, then it would be a case of racial discrimination. Yes. But but it works the other way around. We have anti-discrimination laws here that state that if women are treated unequally at work, for example, then they are a victim of sexual discrimination in the workplace.If sexual discrimination is not the applicable term in the context of what someone wears in the street, then there are other laws regarding intimidation etc that should (or could) cover this problem.

To an extent that's a fair point. But although there may be a lot of peer pressure and media pressure that influences women to wear skimpy bathing suits, and that's an issue worthy of debating another time, it's not the official doctrine of any society or culture. As far as I am aware, nobody is forcefully intimidated into dressing that way. If they are, it is equally wrong.

BUT not told by the employer or law. But this is NOT being treated differently at workIf it is a matter of intimidation then the solution is not banning clothing, it is prosecuting the intimidator.

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It's insulting my intelligence to suppose that women who wear the Burka do so totally of their own free-will when:a) It is ONLY women who wear the Burkab) It is ONLY women from the indisputably misogynist Arab/Muslim world who wear the BurkaThat's why I'm saying that if women really do this of their own free will, let's see their menfolk do the same. We all know they won't, of course, which reveals the truth of the situation as clearly as anything could.

That depends. In show buisness, women are forced to wear clothing that they may otherwise never wear for commercial work, advertising model, etc. It's either dress in the skimpy outfit to sell our product or get lost. It's either show your tits in this scene or get lost. It's either starve yourself and get down to the size we want or get lost. In other words, subject yourself to being used as a promotional ad through sexuality (because that's what our culture gravitates toward) or you don't work.It may not be official doctrine in that it's not written into law, but it is definitely the standard for our society. And I don't think it being written in a book (Koran) makes it different in anyway. Right, so signalling out the Burka has more to do with Islam and religious doctrine than it does with the way it treats women.- Oni

Then consider your intelligence insulted. If it comes down to taking your word for it or the word of the woman who's wearing the damn thing, I'll take hers.There are plenty of things that ONLY women wear, in every culture. Until you've taken a survey of every woman in that culture, you have no business making proclamations on why they wear them.

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You are talking about Cultural driven customs.Have you looked at advertising in the western cultures? Have you looked at the cultural pressure on women (since you seem to be concentrating on women) to be skinny, to wear revealing clothes, to modify their bodies, wear shoes that deform their feet, eat special foods, ...How is that any different?

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Hi JUC,You are wrong. It's really that simple.Women do chose to wear the various forms of veil and headscarf. This is a fact. Take a look at this testimonial;

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I am a British Muslim woman, and two years ago I decided to start wearing the hijab (headscarf).

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Like thousands of Muslim women across the world - the hijab has become part of me, and I wear it with confidence and pride.

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I made the decision to wear the hijab after going on my own personal journey to learn more about my religion, Islam.

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(Full testimonial here; BBC NEWS | Have Your Say | Viewpoint: Why I decided to wear the veil and there are literally hundreds more on the web)Are you calling her a liar? She says that she wants to wear it. Who are you to tell her she has been pressured into it? Don't you think she knows what motivates her better than you do? Like it or not, these outfits are traditionally female apparel and cross-dressing is haram in Islam. Absolutely false and weirdly ignorant.I know a number of white, British born women, all Muslim converts who married Muslim men, who wear the hajib and a few who go as far as to wear the niqab. Most do so entirely out of choice. They are perfectly happy with it.I'm not going to pretend that no-one is forced to wear the veil; I do know one woman, again, a white English-born woman, who is the victim of domestic abuse and is pressured to wear the hajib (sometimes the niqab; it hides the bruises). But whilst these things do occur, there are far more women out there who chose to wear these things of their own free will. Huh? Their menfolk? What are talking about JUC? What if they don't have any "menfolk". Single women wear these things as well you know. Does a young, unmarried woman have to ask someone for permission to wear what she pleases now?Anyway, as I've said, cross-dressing is haram, so forget it.Muslim women see these forms of dress as a public statement of their faith. Many see it as a token of their culture. Converts to Islam (especially those who have effectively married into the faith) see the veil as a statement of how their life has been changed for the better. Many women find that covering up in this way provides them with some respite from unwanted male attention.There are lots of reasons why women chose to wear these silly ninja costumes. I may think it's a damn shame, you may think it's a damn shame, but to say that no-one wears it out of choice is an insult to their intelligence.Mutate and SurviveEdited by Granny Magda, : No reason given.

By your standards - does anybody do anything 'totally of their own free will?' Here are some Jewish women who have adopted the Burqa - even though the local Rabbis dissaprove. I doubt they'd be happy to call themselves of the Arab/Muslim world.But non Arab/Muslim women have arguably 'totally of their own free will' started wearing a habit, modestly worn saris with headscarves, and any other number of combinations.For instance, here in the west it is strongly socially reinforced for a female to not bare her breasts. I walk down the street and I see very few fully exposed female breasts (on a hot day, there is no shortage of man boobs). In some cases it is even illegal for a woman show her breasts where it is not illegal for man to do likewise. And I'm fairly confident that this law will applied or not applied dependent on the attractiveness of the breasts in question. Indeed - unattractive people feel a significant pressure to 'cover up' and the beautiful are pressured to showing off their assets. Something like a monk's habit or the Klobuk? You'd never find a muslim man wearing any headgear, wearing unflattering plain clothes and covering their faces up? See Thobe's, Ghutras, and Bisht - as well as the cultural pressure to beard it up. But that's 'totally their free choice', right?Granted - the roots of the burqa are probably partially accountable to misogyny of an older generation. Just like corsets may have a similar history, along with the farthingale etc. I doubt many woman in any culture have chosen their attire 'totally of their own free will'.Edited by Modulous, : No reason given.