God created evolution

What evidence is that?

How is that? We have evolved from single celled creatures. (Wonder what those single celled creatures evolved from? ) Some where along the line as one species evolved into other species in a designed or guided plan, it would make sense to me that some would disappear along the way.

No doubt you could have done better. It seems to me that this universe and the life on this planet is a pretty incredible design. Look at the structure of just a basic cell, let alone your whole body and mind, and you have the incredible hubris to say that any designer is rubbish at design because some species became extinct.You are only stating opinion. There is no evidence.

I'm not questioning the fact of evolution I'm just questioning the fact that you have any evidence that it isn't evolution by design.Science, like you say, tells us how it works, it doesn't tell us why it works.

My point was that Larni stated that the evidence points to an unguided process. Whenever a theist on this forum makes a statement like that he/she is immediately swarmed. In this case the board was not so strangely silent.From a logical point of view if the process was unguided I would think that the evolutionary process would be consistent instead of the uneven pattern we see in the Cambrian period. That along with the fact there is something instead of nothing, and that sentient beings emerged from that inanimate something leads me to logically believe in an external intelligence.People seem to assume that God is omnipotent and can design any way He chooses. The Bible doesn't say that. Actually if anything the Bible seems to indicate that God had to work within certain parameters. He bargained with various individuals throughout the Bible and as far as creation itself is concerned the creation stories in Genesis itself tell of a process over time. I would think that if God could create without any restrictions, He would have instantly created a universe complete with sentient beings.

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Everybody is entitled to my opinion.

You can read about it here. Cambrian Explosion

All you can say is that some species became extinct. Maybe that was necessary for the next step in the evolutionary process. It tells us nothing about whether there was a designer or not.For that matter there were many efforts that were failures before humans got the first aircraft in the air. Just because things didn't always go as planned doesn't mean that there wasn't a designer.Extinct species may be evidence of something but not whether there was a designer or not.

Larni said that there was evidence against design. I merely asked what evidence he had and what he claimed as evidence was the fact that there have been extinct species.That was the discussion you entered into. I repeat that there is no evidence against a designer. There is only personal opinion. Larni's was that there is no designer and my belief that there is.You can make whatever judgement you like about the competence of the designer but, I repeat the fact that we have something instead of nothing, and out of that something came life, and out of that life evolved sentient beings. That seems like a pretty astounding bit of designing to me.

Why is that?

You keep trying to move the discussion to something it wasn't. The point was Larni said he has evidence that evolution wasn't designed. He doesn't. All of us only have opinions. I did address that point in post 31. I said:

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All you can say is that some species became extinct. Maybe that was necessary for the next step in the evolutionary process. It tells us nothing about whether there was a designer or not.

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For that matter there were many efforts that were failures before humans got the first aircraft in the air. Just because things didn't always go as planned doesn't mean that there wasn't a designer.

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Extinct species may be evidence of something but not whether there was a designer or not.

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And just how do you know what the designer envisioned, and how do you know that the world the way it is is the final product?

You made the following staement: Whenever a theist makes a similar claim as to something that constitutes evidence there is always a crowd that jumps all over him/her pointing out that it isn't evidence.I just didn't see the same condemation in this case.Even if I agree that there were mistakes made it still isn't evidence that there is no designer. A bad design is still a design.

Yes Probably OK I am convinced that there is a designer. (I also go further and accept that it is the Christian God but that isn't part of this discussion.)Biologists have uncovered a great deal of evidence that leads to accept an evolutionary process. I'm not a biologist but I'm prepared to go along with the consensus of those who are.Everything that I see and experience in this world, from the fact that there is something instead of nothing, the complexity and fine tuning of the universe, the fact that there is life at all, the fact that we have creatures with emotions, the fact that we have a sense of right and wrong and even the fact that we can contemplate any god at all indicates to me that in all of this there is design, and if there is design there is likely a designer.As far as God being involved in evolution is concerned, It seems to me that there are different possibilities that I could go along with. I'm ok with the idea that God designed the whole process at the get go and allowed it to run its course and only intervened on a non-physical level. I favour the position that the process was designed and that God intervened as required.I contend that this makes sense from both a scientific point of view but also from a scriptural point of view as long as you don't try to read the OT as a science text or a newspaper. The most obvious example is the flood in which God essentially starts over. (I'm not arguing here for a literal world wide flood.)I've made the statement before that I believe that God has given us 2 scriptures. One is the Bible and the other is His creation. We can learn about God from both but from different angles. In that sense I see theologians, philosophers and scientists all having something to teach us about the creator.

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Everybody is entitled to my opinion.

In the way the terms are used on this form I'm not a creationist IDer. I don't see where in the Bible we get the term omnipotent from. The closest we get would be calling him the Almighty but that isn't the same as omnipotent.I have a hunch that to my dog I'm viewed ass something like omnipotent but the fact is that he's wrong. Frankly a creator that can bring this creation to where it is today is good enough for me. If some of His designs didn't work out then so be it. Just the same, we are looking at things from our own perspective and there is likely a much bigger picture that we aren't able to envision.

Who knows what limitations God would have had to deal with. Both science and the Bible believe in a creation that came about over time. With your understanding of Yahweh I would be inclined to think that he would just have poofed the world, complete with sentient beings in place, in one instant act of creation. You start off the sentence with "my thoughts' and that was my point. It is your opinion. It isn't evidence in the way that this board seems to operate in terms of what constitutes evidence. I should know as I been down that road from the other side enough times.