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jar Member (Idle past 415 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Welcome home.
What you propose is actually pretty well accepted in much of Christianity. As mentioned, it would be one of the flavors of Theistic Evolution. Many branches of Christianity have no problems what so ever with Evolution and in fact, Christians have been very active in the fight against teaching Creationism and Intelligent Design. Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped! |
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jar Member (Idle past 415 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
The problem with thinking that God created evolution comes up when we make the mistake of believing that some particular critter, man as an example, is a desired outcome.
If we set as an a priori condition that God created evolution then the evidence says that no particular critter was a desired outcome, rather the desired outcome was simply life continuing. Based on the evidence available to us, to think that humans are something special, some specific desired outcome, either indicates severe limits on the God (if humans were the desired outcome why spend billions of years on prototypes) or a hubris much like the Bandar-Log.
quote: Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 415 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Taz writes: jar writes:
Why? Why if god created evolution does man absolutely has to be the desired outcome? If we were to think of god starting off as a child creating the universe and evolution, why couldn't man have come about based solely on evolutionary advances? If we set as an a priori condition that God created evolution then the evidence says that no particular critter was a desired outcome... I don't know. If you read what I wrote I specifically said "then the evidence says that no particular critter was a desired outcome..." and you even quoted that. Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 415 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
GDR writes: From a logical point of view if the process was unguided I would think that the evolutionary process would be consistent instead of the uneven pattern we see in the Cambrian period. What uneven pattern? Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 415 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Did you read all of that?
Several issues. First, we are finding more and more samples of pre-Cambrian life and as we find more, the evidence shows that the transition took place over vastly longer periods of time, that there really was not an explosion at all. Second, there are limited areas where we have access today to Cambrian and Pre-Cambrian surfaces. Third, as we move further back in time we are dealing with smaller and smaller critters and ones that left us few fossils. It does appear though from the most recent evidence bilateral critters evolved well before the Cambrian. Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 415 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
It is certain that the Gods and gods described in many religious texts evolve over time. This is particularly true in the three Judaic faiths.
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jar Member (Idle past 415 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
GDR writes: I repeat the fact that we have something instead of nothing, and out of that something came life, and out of that life evolved sentient beings. That seems like a pretty astounding bit of designing to me. Only if sentient beings were a design milestone or objective. Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 415 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
If a design produces something other than what the designer envisioned then it is a failed design. The product might be a success but the design was a failure.
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 415 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
GDR writes:
jar writes: If a design produces something other than what the designer envisioned then it is a failed design. The product might be a success but the design was a failure. And just how do you know what the designer envisioned, and how do you know that the world the way it is is the final product?
It is irrelevant what the designer envisioned. If the design objective was sentient life then the designer is either very limited or inept. That is based on observation, the number of failures as a percentage of successes. If the designer did not envision sentient life yet sentient life was produced, then the design failed. Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 415 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
archaeologist writes: i think that provides enough information right now, God did not create nor use evolutionary means to achieve His will. And what evidence do you have to support that assertion? Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 415 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
shadow71 writes: If you are discussing the Supernatural, then I believe you have to accept the definition of supernatural. A supernatual being is all knowing, all powerful, all loving and eternal. By definition that being cannot design defectively or be immature or inexperienced. Why not? There are many supernatural critters that exhibit all of those traits, immature, inexperienced, unable to design as well as peckish, mean, vindictive, cruel, incompetent. Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 415 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Sure, the God in Genes 2&3 is afraid, unsure, immature and learning on the job. The god in Genesis 18 is not all knowing and has to have his morality corrected by a human. Coyote and Loki are just tricksters, the god is Job is just plain cruel and the Satan character in the story is totally amoral, the god character in Exodus is just plain immoral, even changing the Pharaoh's mind just to show he can; the Greek Gods are vain and jealous; Leprechauns are just plain mischievous.
Need more examples? Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 415 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Based on that defilnition can man judge a supernatural being? Man may know of a supernatual being by words of revelation, actions made know to man etc. but man can never judge a supernatural. If the supernatural is beyond scientific understanding how can man judge this being? Sheesh. That is what Genesis 18 is all about and the important lesson to be learned from Genesis 3. Not only can we judge supernatural beings we are charged to do so. Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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