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jar
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Message 4 of 280 (573666)
08-12-2010 11:08 AM


I am really enjoying this so far and look forward to the next installment. I think it's interesting to see how different your church school religion studies and my church school religion studies were but how similar some of your altar boy experiences were to mine.

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Message 11 of 280 (573673)
08-12-2010 11:38 AM
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08-12-2010 11:26 AM


Just for fun, some years ago I posted my belief statement (actually there are several over in Columnists corner) and while the end result was different, many of the gross level details were similar.
I was a Choir Boy but about a month or so after being accepted God struck me down and my voice received a mind of its own, I sang one note and it added flourishes and overtones of its very own creation. The fall was swift, from front row to back row behind anyone tall and broad to "Maybe you would be more suited as Altar Boy". Even there my primary function was to smuggle in the Sunday Comics from the newspaper.

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jar
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Message 18 of 280 (573992)
08-13-2010 1:17 PM
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08-13-2010 1:13 PM


What is important is that even if there was firm conclusive evidence that Jesus was actually a real historical figure it still says nothing relative to his divinity.

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Message 24 of 280 (574033)
08-13-2010 5:24 PM
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08-13-2010 4:37 PM


But there is no indication that Paul ever met Jesus.

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jar
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Message 27 of 280 (574044)
08-13-2010 6:00 PM
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08-13-2010 5:43 PM


The last sentence is significant.
quote:
Paul is anxious to concentrate on the spiritual message of the 'risen' Christ (spiritually risen not physically) because he is trying to build a power-base and expand his version, the Pauline Christianity.
Paul changed very little it appears before and after his Road Trip experience (insert White Castle reference).
Personally I believe that Jesus existed and actually is the Messiah, but I also in all honesty have to point out that there is almost no evidence to support the former and no evidence to support the latter.
Edited by jar, : fix quote

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jar
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Message 33 of 280 (574348)
08-15-2010 12:39 PM
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08-15-2010 12:29 PM


Well, the show had a short run, not even 6 weeks and did not even make it to Off Off Broadway.

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Message 36 of 280 (574356)
08-15-2010 1:15 PM
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08-15-2010 1:09 PM


Bikerman writes:
Add the fact that Mark 16:9 is an undoubted forgery and the major dissagreements in Matthew John and Luke, and you have a later concoction added to give the new idea of a physical resurrection some support.
While I agree that the long ending to Mark certainly is a later addition I think that the term Forgery is a little excessive.

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jar
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Message 38 of 280 (574360)
08-15-2010 1:50 PM
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08-15-2010 1:34 PM


Bikerman writes:
This is substantial addition of new material made to appear as if original - that is a pretty good description of the word forgery.
I agree it was a much later addition, and that it was written in the style of Mark, but I also understand that our modern concepts of "forgery" is quite different than how it would be viewed at the time. There is a long history of writing or arguing in the style of and also attributing. Just look at the history of Talmudic discourse.

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Message 40 of 280 (574376)
08-15-2010 3:14 PM
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08-15-2010 3:02 PM


Because actual authorship was simply not considered all that important at the time.

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jar
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Message 43 of 280 (574385)
08-15-2010 3:47 PM
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08-15-2010 3:42 PM


Not quite. The ACTUAL authors were not important, who the material was attributed to was important.

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Message 44 of 280 (574387)
08-15-2010 3:51 PM
Reply to: Message 42 by Theodoric
08-15-2010 3:46 PM


If you want to consider the long ending of Mark a forgery, I really have no problem with it. I do not try to attribute it to Mark, but I also don't have a clue whether or not Mark actually wrote any of the rest.
Hey, if your position makes you happy, I'm fine with it. Personally I think forgery is too strong a term but that is just my opinion.

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jar
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Message 46 of 280 (574393)
08-15-2010 4:13 PM
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08-15-2010 3:58 PM


Re: So no evidence for your assertion?
LOL
Okay. Call BS.
It was an opinion.
If you disagree then fine.

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jar
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Message 57 of 280 (574522)
08-16-2010 10:44 AM
Reply to: Message 56 by Theodoric
08-16-2010 10:32 AM


Re: So no evidence for your assertion?
But I have no desire to change your viewpoint on that. I really don't even care if you believe or even KNOW that my opinion on that is wrong.

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